Report: US considers phone companies ‘arm of government’

By Daniel Tencer
Saturday, October 10th, 2009 -- 7:39 pm
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The US government doesn't have to reveal information about phone companies that may have spied illegally on Americans because those phone companies are an "arm of the government," the US Justice Department argued in a recent court case.

In a lawsuit over the Bush administration's decision to give immunity to telecom companies over its warrantless wiretapping program, the Justice Department argued that it doesn't have to publicly reveal what it discussed with the phone companies because those discussions were "inter-agency communications," explains Ryan Singel at Wired.

He cites a passage from a court document in which the department argues that "the communications between the agencies and telecommunications companies regarding the immunity provisions of the proposed legislation have been regarded as intra-agency...."

Singel was reporting on privacy watchdog group Electronic Frontier Foundation's two-year-long legal battle with the DoJ over access to those communications. In 2008, the Bush administration passed a law granting reotroactive immunity to phone companies that had participated in the administration's warrantless wiretapping program.

After news reports in 2007 suggested that the phone companies had lobbied the government to have those protections put in place, the EFF launched a freedom-of-information request to have discussions between the Justice Department and the phone companies made public. When the government refused, the EFF took the matter to court.

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On September 24, a US District Court judge sided with the EFF and ordered the government to "release more records about the lobbying campaign to provide immunity to the telecommunications giants that participated in the NSA's warrantless surveillance program," the EFF stated.

The judge gave the Justice Department until last Friday to hand over the documents. But, late on Thursday, the government appealed for a 30-day stay of the judge's order. That order was refused, but the judge has delayed any further decisions on the case for another week.

CONGRESS 'A MERE APPENDAGE' OF EXECUTIVE BRANCH?

Blogger Marcy Wheeler at FireDogLake says there are more interesting revelations about the government's attitude towards constitutional powers in the delay request it filed last week.

"The language attempting to protect agency discussions with Congress describe Congress as a mere appendage to the executive branch which did not, in 2008, have its own distinct constitutional interest in legislation concerning matters in which the executive branch had been found to have flouted duly passed laws," Wheeler writes. She cites the following passages from the court filing (PDF):

Given the purpose and role of the communications in the agencies’ own deliberations, the agencies have regarded their communications with Congress as intra-agency documents under the foregoing lines of authority....

...In providing the agencies with information and views about legislative options for use in the development of the Executive Branch’s own legislative position, Congress was participating in a common effort with the Executive Branch to advance the public interest.

"It is a fascinating comment on the state of separation of powers that Congress would be described by the executive branch as a mere appendage to the executive branch," Wheeler wrote.

She also argued that there is a fundamental contradiction in the government claiming that companies it contracted to do (potentially illegal) work would be treated as government agencies:

These were telecoms lobbying! Lobbying about programs that brought them and will continue to bring them ongoing business. But by treating the telecoms as agencies for this negotiation, the Obama Administration ... is treating this lobbying as part of the task that telecoms have been contracted to do by the government. We are paying telecom contractors ... to lobby our government and elected representatives (who are, at this point, just an appendage to the executive branch anyway) to make sure they continue to get that contracted work.

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  • Mokouteh
    The last real Prez of the U.S.A was JFK! He strikes me as what a TRUE american is; which no other AmeriKKKan does.
  • This is the definition of Fascism if I recall correctly. Congratulations.
  • tonytigger
    How about the Constitutional ban on ex post facto laws? I mean how exactly do you grant retroactive immunity in light of the constitution? Okay, so you broke a law. So we'll pass another one that gives you immunity from that action in the past.
    Horsecakes! Sue!
  • overdoneputaforkinit
    The Constitution says the government will not spy on Americans. If telecoms are a branch of government then they violated the Constitution by spying without a warrant and handing the information to another government agency.
  • starvapor
    The Constitution didn't mean anything to the Bush administration and it's become the same use-or- disregard, tool-of-the-day, for the Obama administration also.
  • nader paul kucinich gravel
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  • baldrick
    phone companies are an "arm of the government"?

    that explains the finger up my ass
  • kscitydude
    Hey there miggy...you wrote: "They shred the Consitution [Constitution] every day, especially Obama, and Congress does nothing."

    Mind telling us how exactly how the President has shred our Constitution. And site me sources on which particular parts he has shredded, not just your talking points.
  • rawstorysuspect
    dude, i know you are from kansas, but did you read the above article? it said the executive considers the legislative part of the executive. that is one single thing. another thing might be the right of security, meaning no warrantless wiretapping, meaning no telecom immunity. plus theres, oh, war crimes, the right to have a say in government if you are getting taxed... pick one bro. dont post again until youve started reading books.
  • kscitydude
    miggy said:dude, i know you are from kansas, but did you read the above article? it said the executive considers the legislative part of the executive. that is one single thing. another thing might be the right of security, meaning no warrantless wiretapping, meaning no telecom immunity. plus theres, oh, war crimes, the right to have a say in government if you are getting taxed... pick one bro. dont post again until youve started reading books."

    Ok, I'll overlook your sarcasm. And I promise to read more books if you promise to read a book on punctuation. :) I hope you were as outraged when Bush was shredding the Constitution by ordering warrantless wiretaping etc.
  • miggy
    Utter and complete rubbish. Obama is doing exactly what he wants to do.

    Loot the nation and funnel every penny he can towards the richest people in America. When the dollar crashes they will be so disgustingly rich, they'll all be laughing as the sweaty masses beg for shitty jobs paying five bucks an hour.

    Was there a gun to Obama's head when he still was the nominee? Yet, he voted for Bush's TARP legislation and telecom immunity.

    For crap sakes, when are you going to see what he and Congress are doing to this country? They are destroying us, ripping us off, and treating us like dirt.

    They shred the Consitution every day, especially Obama, and Congress does nothing.
    The laws have become increasingly harsh, but only for us. Corporations win, the little guy always gets crushed now, and the courts are slowly stripping away all avenues of recourse. Severe punishment is doled out for realtively minor infractions. Police taser kids for mouthing off, and everyone shrugs like, oh, he must have deserved it. An attitude of sweeping authority is enclosing it's citizens. It's outrageous! A total police/security state.

    Believe me, our Corporate President/Congresss aren't threatened by some bullshit foreign terrorist. They're worried about us waking up one day and realizing they took everything, and threw us off a cliff.

    I don't know how Congress thinks the brainwashed hollow brained majority of people in this country will ever realize they're being screwed over. Not likely. I see America dumbed down beyond repair.

    Get your head out of your asses. The rest of the world is abandoning the US, and they all know it. Obama's making sure all the rats get to devour every bit of us before they jump ship.
  • I love obama
    You've made more sense than most people in ages, and please don't mind my sarcastic username cause its bullshit so the cops think I really care about the guy.
  • pie
    I really resent the supposition that it is the 'Obama Administration" and his own justice department leading this outrageous farce to keep lobbying negotiations secret etc.. does any one out there remember the heavy 'embedding' Bush worked so feverishly on the weeks before he departed? Find out who is writing, working on and supervising thie above efforts of the justice department, expose who these people are, THEN tell me which administration is behind this.
  • truthops2010
    It is now the Obama Justice Department, that's not a supposition. Obama's DOJ has been busily asserting the same legal positions of the Bush Administration in the assertions of State's Secrets, and plenary Executive powers in case after case. Obama is not a victim of the Bush Administration in this regard, he is CHOOSING to cover up the Bush Administration's crimes, period.
  • wiseturtle
    fucking new world order nazis!!!
  • Michael
    could this be why T-Mobile's service has been OUT all over the US for more than a week..not just service but all the records...contacts, address books...etc.etc.
    Just a thought!!!
  • moi2cents
    my t-mobile is running like a champ. browser, addresses, maps--bangin'! sounds like you wiped your phone
  • moi2cents
    This is a give-away to insurance companies!!!
    Counseling, suicide-prevention, psychiatric services, and medication for government logicians is not going to be cheap. Many of them will never recover, and will either need to be institutionalized, or left to wander, derelict and broken. Outcast and useless, many may turn to lives of mischief and crime.
  • Anyone remember Lily Tomlin's character, Ernestine the Phone Operator? Apparently, she's now a 'gubmit employee' and she's STILL unaccountable to the end-user. In this case, it appears that beyond the local phone user, now, she'll continue to instill fear into the heart of John & Jill Q. Public on their own dime!
  • Patriotic_Watchdog
    The telecoms can not be a "intra-agency" becuase they are not funded by the people.
  • Name
    It is just painful to see this illogic from Justice. How these clowns can even wake up in the morning is beyond me.
  • Druthers
    Unfortunately it seems we are engaged on a one-way street where at each crossing our liberties are denied then abolished by "established tradition." The government "regarding" the crimes commited by telephone companies and itself as above and outside the law.

    What you don't use, you lose and we are fast losing our supposed "raison d'être. While President Obama receives the Nobel Peace Prize and travels the world making stirring speeches here in our own country the steady regression of our civil liberties and social justice continue.
  • wellwellwell
    Yeah, people still do not listen to Alex Jones, everything he was talking about for years is happening..wake up sheep.
  • m
    When corporations are considered to be an arm of the government (or perhaps the other way around), the type of government is not a democracy or a representative republic. We can only take this argument as a formal declaration of fascism.
  • moi2cents
    Gomer Pyle: "Lou Anne, can I put my finger in your belly button?"
    Lou Anne Poovie: "Well...okay, Gomer."

    Lou Ann Poovie: "Gomer! That wasn't my belly button!"
    Gomer Pyle: "Surprise, surprise, surprise! It wasn't my finger, either."

    Pretty damned easy to feel like a gomer these days, huh?
  • CaptBebops
    A couple years ago I bought a DVD of the 1967 comedy "The President's Analyst." I was surprised how much that movie stands up today. Check it out because in the movie the antagonist is the "phone company."
  • suziekidder
    I'm a cynic and I can't quite keep up. (Lily Tomlin)

    Telecom companies are not, and hopefully never will be, a co-equal arm of the federal government. Some of the functions they perform - presuming these are actually legal - could be protected by the same curtains the government gets to draw on that information, and those issues, that genuinely pertain to the national security. But what's happening now is just so much smoke and mirrors, designed to obscure past actions - that were clearly illegal at the time and still are illegal - and the ability to do the same in the future. There is a trust issue on the table here, gentlemen. The bottom line is that We Don't Trust You to Act on Our Behalf. You haven't done so with sufficient enthusiasm and consistency in the past, and we would like some new history on this issue before we trust you to do so in the future. The CIA lies for a living. The FBI lies badly. And the NSA lies on behalf of the other two agencies. It's time to clean up our national security act before any of these agencies asks the american people to "just trust us, O.K.?" again. When you've been proven to have been a lying, double-dealing, and lethal sack of s**t over and over again - you have no credibility in the bank. It's pretty simple. If you want more leeway in the future, you must earn it the old fashioned way. Prove to us that we can trust you - and then will begin to do so. Until then - don't bother asking - the answer is "Hel, No."
  • i-juca
    Wake up, dimwits!!!

    Corporations and government are one and the same. You will enter the history books as the cowardly mass with the benefit of access to asynchronous information in the history of mankind.

    You deserve your government!! You deserve everything that's coming your way!
  • Quisp
    One word.

    CALEA
  • disappointed voter
    **** In 2008, the Bush administration passed a law granting reotroactive immunity to phone companies ****

    You forgot to add that was WITH OBAMA'S VOTE. So how is it that Obama differs from Bush?
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