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April 10 2008
Vitamin E Linked to Lung Cancer

vitamin E, supplements, lung cancer, antioxidants, pro-oxidantTaking high doses of vitamin E supplements can actually increase the risk of lung cancer.

A study of 77,000 people found consuming 400 milligrams of vitamin E per day increased cancer risk by 28 percent. Smokers were at particular risk.

An expert writing in the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine said that people should get their vitamins from fruit and vegetables rather than supplements.

Vitamin E is known to be an antioxidant that protects cells from molecules called free radicals. But in high doses, it may also act as a pro-oxidant, causing oxidation and damage to cells.



Dr. MercolaDr. Mercola's Comments:

At first glance this article may appear to be nothing but another attempt to assassinate a natural health-promoting agent. However, there is some truth to these findings, which is why it’s important to weed through it to discern what’s what.

Vitamin E: Healer or Killer? Two Sides of the Same Coin

There have been numerous studies pointing out the two sides of vitamin E.

On the one hand vitamin E has been found to have strong health promoting influences by protecting against damaging free radicals – because it is a very effective antioxidant for many fats.

On the other, it has been found that it can also increase, rather than reduce, oxidation and speed up the onset of both heart disease and cancer if you smoke and eat a diet high in polyunsaturated fat.

According to one such study, vitamin E can induce heart disease through “reductive stress.” Reductive stress is a condition caused by excessive levels of reduced glutathione, which is one of your body’s most powerful antioxidants. When your cells work properly, they produce just the right amount of reduced glutathione, which is healthy for your body. However, in some people, a mutated gene can disrupt the fine balance, causing the cells to produce too much.

Additionally, vitamin E should not be given to certain brain injured children, such as those with some types of autism. In these cases, accumulations of long chain fats require oxidation to remove them, which is impaired by vitamin E, actually making the disease worse.

On the other hand, one classic NEJM study found that vitamin E can reduce your risk for heart disease by up to 80 percent.

Another study published in Life Extension Magazine came to the same conclusion, stating that vitamin E reduces high levels of the inflammation-causing proteins C-reactive protein (CRP) and IL-6, which are likely contributors to heart disease. (Blood levels of both CRP and IL-6 are often elevated in patients with heart disease, indicating an increased risk for heart attack.)

And other studies have shown that vitamin E:

So as you can see, there’s plenty of evidence for both sides of the argument. Vitamin E may lower the risk of disease in some people, and raise the risk in others.

But what’s most likely at the heart of this discrepancy?

All Vitamin E are Not Created Equal

Ever since its discovery in 1922 there has been much discussion over what type of vitamin E is best. Many do not know that the term “vitamin E” actually refers to a family of at least eight fat-soluble antioxidant compounds, divided into two groups of molecules: tocopherols (which are considered the “true” vitamin E) and tocotrienols.

Each of the tocopherol and tocotrienol subfamilies contains four different forms:

  • Alpha-
  • Beta-
  • Gamma-
  • Delta-

Each one of these subgroups has its own unique biological effects.

Ideally, vitamin E should be consumed in the broader family of mixed natural tocopherols and tocotrienols, (also referred to as full-spectrum vitamin E) to get the maximum benefits.

And there’s the main problem: the vitamin E most often referred to and sold in most stores is a synthetic form of the vitamin, which really should NOT be used if you want to reap any of its health benefits.

You can tell what you’re buying by carefully reading the label.

  • Natural vitamin E is always listed as the “d-“ form (d-alpha-tocopherol, d-beta-tocopherol, etc.)
  • Synthetic vitamin E is listed as “dl-“ forms

When vitamin E is stabilized by adding either succinic acid or acetic acid, the chemical name changes from tocopherol to tocopheryl (as in d-alpha-tocopheryl succinate, for example).

Your body can easily distinguish between natural and synthetic vitamins, and several studies have shown that natural vitamin E is between two and three times as bioactive as the same amount of synthetic vitamin E.

And that brings us to the best source of natural vitamins…

Food, Not a Supplement, is Your Best Source of Vitamin E

Free radicals are a natural byproduct of breathing; antioxidants such as vitamin E mop up the excess, and leave the rest of the free radicals to fulfill their other functions, which include things like turning air and food into chemical energy, and aiding your immune response by attacking foreign invaders and bacteria.

This fine balancing act can be easily tipped to the point of either too much or too little. Eliminating or dramatically reducing free radicals could actually lead to more problems than are solved.

The Goldilock's equation, meaning you need just the right amount to achieve optimal health -- not too much and not too little, is the answer here.

And your body can do a phenomenal job of self-regulating many of these levels if you supply it with wholesome, healthy foods and dramatically limit your intake of processed foods, which are loaded with artificial chemicals.

Tocopherol and its subgroups are found in certain nuts and green leafy vegetables. Sources of tocotrienols include palm oil, rice bran and barley oils. However, many Americans do not get nearly enough of dietary vitamin E due to their poor dietary choices.

So yes, vitamin E is a wonderful antioxidant with powerful health benefits, but you need to make sure you’re getting them from the right sources -- from the food you eat. A diet rich in fresh vegetables and nuts will usually supply you with the whole nutrients needed to walk this fine line.

Always remember that not only are nuts and leafy greens rich in vitamin E, they also contain hundreds of other natural chemicals that create a synergistic effect where the total benefit is far greater than the sum of its parts.

When buying vegetables, I strongly recommend you try to find locally grown, organic produce, as they often contain greater concentrations of vital nutrients. 

Remember also that the Take Control of Your Health program, which includes the entire program of eating the healthiest foods in all the right proportions for your nutritional type, can help you solve most of the problems with “too much” versus “too little” when it comes to essential nutrients.

If you are not eating properly according to your nutritional type -- by far the most important step you can take to improve your health -- no supplement will "save" you.


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Health Man
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Smoking is by far the single largest risk factor for developing lung cancer. Current smokers are 24 times (2,400%) more likely to develop lung cancers than people who have never smoked. People who have quit for over 10 years are 6 times (600%) more likely to develop lung cancers than people who have never smoked.





This study looked at vitamin E and all people including current smokers, ex-smokers and people who have never smoked. No significant effect of vitamin E was shown when current smokers were excluded from the data analysis. For the total group, including smokers, there was no significant association for any level of vitamin E intake and lung cancer. Only when using continuously variable modeling of the smokers (comparing various ranges of vitamin E intake rather than vitamin E vs. no vitamin E) was there a significant correlation, and even then this association was U-shaped. In the current smoker group, intakes of 42-215 IU per day actually resulted in a significant 32% reduction in lung cancer risk.

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Health Man
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Continued....


In those with lung cancer, a significant lung cancer association could only be found in those with non-small cell lung cancer. In this group, those using less than 215 IU of vitamin E daily experienced a significant 12-16% reduction in risk. Those using greater than 215 IU per day experienced a significant 29% increase in risk. No significant association was found in participants with small cell lung cancers or other lung cancers. This data implies only that smokers should not consume greater than 215 IU of vitamin E per day. It does not imply that they should avoid vitamin E altogether.



90% of the vitamin E used in this analysis was synthetic dl-alpha tocopherol. Not enough users of natural d-alpha tocopherol were studied to determine a significant association one way or the other. If any association is to be made from the data above, it should only be noted for synthetic vitamin E supplementation. This data does not in any way provide adequate information on supplemental use of natural d-alpha tocopherol and it’s relation to lung cancer.



That data used for this study was collected using dietary surveys. This was not a controlled clinical trial. These results cannot be considered absolute or as the final word.

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mrose
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Health Man:  Question on your comment.  Most often I see reference to people who have ceased smoking for 10 years and comments related to their risk.  What about those of us who quit 25 years ago or longer?  My position has been that I smoked and quit, prior to the tobacco industry "fooling" around with "real tobacco" in order to make it more addictive.  I have always thought the difficulty in people quiting in this day and the higher incidences of lung cancer now, might well be a result of whatever "ethyl methyl bad shi_" they put into cigarettes to increase their sales.   ????????

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Health Man
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mrose:  I can't say that I am able to definitely answer your question, but the data that I have personally seen suggests that if you quit 25 years ago you would basically fall into the "never smoked" category as far as risk goes.

Technically, smoking can result in permanant genetic mutations that might increase a persons risk of cancer.  However, gene's can be turned on and off with proper diet.  The study of this concept is called epigenetics in case you wish to look into it.

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mrose
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Thanks Health Man - I will look up Epigenics.

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Coconut123
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  Mercola

What?? Baking Soda and Maple Syrup??

**************************

Remember Dr. Tullio Simoncini and his treatment of cancer as a fungus? If not, you can

reread an article called "Cancer Is A Fungus" in my August 2, 2007 newsletter.

It's at:

www.Beating-Cancer-Gently.com/nl108.html

If you recall, I quoted several holistic physicians in that article including Dr. Mark

Sircus. I interviewed Dr. Sircus for my web talk radio show a couple of weeks ago. We got

to comparing notes. It seems we had both received a copy of the same magazine article

from one of my readers. The article was entitled "Country Doctor Cures Cancer --

With Baking Soda & Maple Syrup!" There was no date on the article, but it was a

syndicated article from Weekly World News written by George Sanford. The location (of all

places) was Asheville, North Carolina, where I live.

The story told of Jim Kelmun, a 75-year old former truck driver and his success in

helping people heal cancer using -- you guessed it -- baking soda and maple syrup. Seein'

as how I'm a 76-year old former airplane driver who has helped a couple thousand people

recover from cancer, I figured ol' Jim from Asheville and I had a lot in common and I

better pass on his story (and Dr. Mark's reaction to it) to you, my loyal readers, and

see what you think.

First, here's a short quote from the story, so you get the drift.

"'There's not a tumor on God's green Earth that can't be licked with a little baking

soda and maple syrup!'

That's the astonishing claim of controversial folk healer Jim Kelmun -- who says his

simple home remedy can stop and reverse the growth of deadly cancers.

[Kelmun]...has no medical degree and authorities are demanding that he stop dispensing

his 'wonder drug' -- or face a prison sentence.

But his loyal patients swear by the man they fondly call 'Dr. Jim' -- and say he's a

miracle worker.

'Dr Jim cured me of lung cancer,' declares farmer Ian Rodhouse, 64. 'Those other doctors

told me I was a

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Biggs
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  Mercola

smoking is not the only cause of lung cancer...frying free radicals ie hydrogenated grease will cause it too..just in case you ask those who havent smoked...then there are also other causes...radon gas etc...so bottom line is not you have lung cancer the you smoke(d)...

  
  
HealthCoachSandraG
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Yes, we often do fall into the trap of if something is good then more must be better.   Supplements can serve a purpose if taken with a sound approach.  However, why even take supplements if you're not going to clean up your diet.  They'll never replace food.

This is another example of taking a reductionistic view on the healing qualify of natural foods.  It's never one ingredient (vitamin, mineral, phytochemical) that heals us.  It's the complex interaction of all of these nutrients that help support our immune system along with our own personal biochemical background and genes.
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Lidija
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  Mercola

Just as I was about to order some vitamin E from Carlson's and I read this?

Yes, we all agree that getting the full spectrum of vitamins should come from food we eat. Although ideal, it is not always possible for many people. So at times we feel we don't have our basics covered-we should consider taking a good quality supplement.

Dr. Merola used to recommend taking vitamin E with fish oil to prevent oxidization in the body. Is this no longer a good idea?  

  
  
curlilox
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Was the type of the Vitamin E they used a food based one?  Synthetic Vitamin E is highly toxic!  Even D Tocopherol is only like eating the banana peel.  It needs to be food based with mixed tocopherols.
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Health Man
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90% of the participants used synthetic vitamin E. 
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Judy_Miller
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  Mercola

Mega amounts of "natural" vit. E, is not natural either, because it is not found in nature like this.  The best source is from food, with complete spectrum and all the parts both known and unknown.  We need real food, not isolated nutrients whether natural or not.  The best supplement is a whole food supplement.

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Rose_5-HT
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To Curlilox:

I agree synthetic vitamin E is highly toxic.

But natural vitamin E and especially the non-oily form d-alpha tocopheryl succinate is a wonderful supplement. It has been shown to have no toxicity up to 180 gm/day. It boosts immunity, improves quality of sleep, REVERSES skin cancer and powerfully protects the liver against the toxicity of drugs. I have used this form of vitamin E for years at high dose with only benefits and not a single side-effect and I'm somebody extremely sensitive to side-effects.

And I disagree with Dr Mercola on the point of reductive stress. The problem is ALWAYS oxidative stress and not the opposite. If synthetic vitamin E increases cancer risk this is due to its toxicity. Synthetic vitamin E will not cause reductive stress but strong oxidative stress because of its in vivo toxicity despite its in vitro antioxidant property.

This means there is something more important than taking vitamin E: this is to avoid the exposure of any oxidants. For example when I suffered from headaches natural vitamin E brought no relief. But suppressing the oxidants: copper, drugs, nitrates/nitrites (from processed meat), radiations of cordless phones alleviated them definitively.

  
  
New to Natural
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It IS nice to see an "expert" state that vitamins should come from fruits and vegetables, rather than supplements
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nunc
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Whole-food is of course the way to go.  However, you won't be finding any Vitamin E in any fruits or vegetables - it is fat soluble.  The major problem is that the grain-milling process has displaced vitamin E from traditional sources.  If you have access to an organic farm, then congratulations, but most people don't. 
  
  
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Too much anything isn't good for you. Nature's all about balance.
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ladyclaire
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This happened over 20 years ago - when I was pregnant with my daughter. I had heard that one of my cousins out west had used Vitamin E to rub on her belly during her pregnancy and had no stretch marks. I went to the health food store and found Vitamin E oil in a bottle and rubbed it on my belly - every other day when I got out of the shower. I worked from home and didn’t feel a great need to shower every day - probably a good thing in this case. Long story short - my daughter was born 10 weeks premature (she is doing great - just always been small) and I was told my placenta looked like that of a heavy smoker or drinker - neither of which I was. Searching for answers, I told the doctor about the Vitamin E and she said it could have contributed to my problems. So, not sure, but something to think about. Did not use when I was pregnant with my twin boys, and although a rough pregnancy, I went full-term. Just wanted to share my story.

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2shiny
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  Mercola

I'd be curious, ladyclaire, if your E was synthetic, or otherwise compromised by contaminants. I think these are the key issues of this subject. I have been taking E since the 70's and have always been careful as to the source and that it was natural and not synthetic.

Thanks, everyone, for the great websites and recommendations. That marine phytoplankton video is especially fascinating. I was a fan of Klamath blue green bact to the seventies as well... am 53 and look (and feel) 33 ~ this is such an important and ideal whole food supplement for the future.

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Maurine1
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Many years ago my mother suffered multiple miscarriages (7) after the birth of my older sister. The doctor suggested she try wheat germ oil for the Vitamin E. She did and I was born! (She says that when I was laid on her tummy I gave her a big grin as if to say, "We made it, Mama!") She also had great success using the Vit E oil (poke the capsule and squeeze it out) to heal skin problems (I use a Vitamin C paste). I take 400 IU of Vit E daily, always the (more expensive) d-alpha, not the synthetic. Whole wheat ought to be a source of natural vitamin E.

  
  
DrJacobs
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The ratio of the various types of vitamin E found in foods is something to consider.  Yes, it's preferable to get your nutrients from food, but it's unrealistic to think that one can get therapeutic dosages of nutrients this way consistently.  By taking supplemental d-alpha-tocopherol (or its synthetic brother), you are saturating vitamin E storage sites in the body with unnatural levels of a specific type of E.  

The vast majority of E found in foods is gamma-tocopherol, which is believed to contribute to physiologic maintenence of healthier blood pressure when the heart is overly stressed (ala heart hormone BNP).  A previous study giving E the WWF equivalent to the "smack-down" flooded the media debunking vitamin E with other side stories attempting to bash natural therapies.  They neglected to mention numerous other positive studies of vitamin E's cardiovascular benefits and that the study in question involved individuals with extreme pre-existing heart conditions.

So, yes, eat as healthy a diet as you can.  Take your vitamins; however, be sure to take your high-gamma mixed tocopherols too.  Search Dr. Mercola's excellent website for additional nutrition information.  It's a tremendous resource!

Sincerely,

Thad Jacobs, ND, LAc

Santa Barbara Center for Natural Medicine

Santa Barbara, CA 31010

805-966-3003

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JWRM42
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Now hold the horn! Is the Vitamin E natural or synthetic?

"Isolated nutrients or synthetic nutrients are not natural, in that they are never found by themselves in nature. Taking these isolated nutrients, especially at the ultra-high doses found in formulas today, is more like taking a drug. Studies show the body treats these isolated and synthetic nutrients like xenobiotics (foreign substances)."
                   -Daniel H. Chung, ND

In my own mind, after educating myself with Dr. Mercola's knowledge and by some articles on www.wholefooddentalsupplements.com, it is my understanding that we must ensure we are consuming natural whole food vitamins! Eating sythetic is like eating test tube meat! Blah!

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LCM29
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The website www.wholefooddentalsupplements.com has been very beneficial to me.  Thanks for the link, JWRM42.
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Carol M
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You don't use those Standard Process vitamins, do you?  As far as I know, the company still tests on animals, and their vitamins also include animal by-products. Vegetarians would not use them, and I would not use them.  

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I will put my neck on the chopping block by agreeing with your comments, JWRM42.  Standard Process supplements are excellent whole food additions to one's diet if one needs them.  I will be recommending them to my patients when I start my practice (Chiropractic).  They are not tested on animals; where ever did this idea come from?  If Carol M, who is a vegetarian, chooses not to use this brand of supplements, great.  I wish her well in getting all of the necessary nutrients from her diet.  Please don't disparage this company; they are doing a tremendous service for so many people.

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mrose
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Very interesting information at this site - But, I for one am very suspicious of a company that only allows you to buy products from a "healthcare professional" - based on a premise that those "healthcare professionals" know more than you do about supplementation.   When I have purchased such items through a chiropractor and/or a dentist office in the past, I am not getting any input from the "professional" selling the product, typically, it has been his/her "receptionist" - and they will sell to me anything I ask for.  Get my point?  But the bigger issue is, typically, those products sold by these professionals are much pricier than those sold in my local healthfood store - AND, I have no evidence that their wholefood supplements (the professionals) are any better - other than they say so....  

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Carol M
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That's the thing, mrose - are these supplements any better than others just because your chiropractor or dentist sells them?  Or are they selling them just to make some extra money?  Of course it's fine to make money, but have they researched them for you?

For this brand that has been suggested, Standard Process, IF I were to take them, I would first do all kinds of research on how the animals were raised, what were they fed, are they full of antibiotics and other toxins, etc.  A lot of ingredients for supplements come from China - does this brand contain stuff from China?  Etc. Etc.

  
  
MoniqueG
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I have taken the natural Vitamin E pretty regularly since 1976.  I have taken both mixed and the d-alpha tocopheryl.  I put it on burns, cuts, mosquitoe bites and have put it on moles and warts.  I don't take it regularly but pretty often. I had TB in 1962 so I take supplements a lot.  I have no signs of lung cancer.  I am 62 and feel better than I did when I was young.  I don't smoke or drink.  I am overweight but my blood pressure is normal.  As long as I am able to get supplements, I will take them.  I do not want to end up in a nursing home.  My husband says they do not help him, but I feel that they help me.  Everyone is different and maybe some do not need them.  I do and if someone else feels that they do, they should go by that feeling.  When I had my check up, the woman that was younger told me I was in better shape than she was when she told me results of my blood test.  I eat very little meat and no pork, catfish or any other meat that the Bible says isn't good for you.  

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palacie
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This user is BELOW novice level and all their comments need to be reviewed with great caution.

I would like to know why it is that anyone critical of anything Dr. Mercola says is getting -points? Is this what free speech is supposed to be about? For example, rajsanand made some excellent points but received -2 points. Who gives these ratings anyway? I've noticed lately that some of the regular posters in the past don't seem to be around anymore. Hmmm.... maybe they realized there is too much bias here and moved on where they aren't judged like they are here. Watch and see how many -points I get for posting this one!

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Yes I also find that some comments get deleted if considered (by whom?) too critical. It's a pity since I think Dr Mercola's website is one of the best around. But differing or critical opinions should not be censored.

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Some may agree with you....I do.  Best Wishes!

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Palacie - In a past post on cell phone usage, someone made a slur to the effect that Dr. Mercola just wanted to sell his headsets.  I defended him with a statement that I thought his head set sales made up for little of his costs in keeping this website current.   Loh and behold (AND AGAIN, I WAS DEFENDING HIM) I got MINUS 30 points.....go figure....

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Personally, the biggst issue I have with this site is not what most have complained about, i.e. promoting his products with links (although that is true).  It is understood that it costs money to keep a site such as this up and running, and something has to fund it.  My issue is - this so called "inner-circle".  Not everyone can afford an on-going $24.95 per month to be in-the-in!!!  It implies that those of you out there who can, are somehow "special".  This is in no way intended to be a "slam" against those of you who have manifested such funds and choose to use them in this manner, but.....the image it presents is not good, in my opinion!!    So, bring on the MINUS points.  I can handle them.  I have big shoulders - teehee.    

  
  
Bryan - oz4caster
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I suspect that the need for vitamin E decreases with decreasing intake of polyunsaturated fat and likewise the need for vitamin C decreases with lower intake of sugars.  I also believe it is wise to keep dietary intake of polyunsaturated fats and sugars low - preferably under 4% of calories for PUFA and under 5-10% for sugars (mainly from fruit and/or dairy). 

In nature, vitamin E generally comes with foods that are high in PUFA.  Thus, minimizing these foods should minimize the need for vitamin E.

Too much PUFA and sugar will puff you up : )
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mmc88121
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While to much of a good thing can be just as bad as not enough, balance is important,  But you should also make sure your vitamins are natural and not synthetic produced in a laboratory.  But I agree the best place to get them is in the foods themselves.

Mary
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ann stafford
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The best vitamin E supplement I have found is from YASOO.com 400/400 (400mg d-tocopherol including alpha, gamma, beta, and delta; plus 400mg natural tocotrienols).  This is a small company that deals primarily in natural vitamin E supplements.  My husband and I have taken their product for almost 10 years with great results.  One important thing:  natural tocotrienols raise HDL considerably, which is a good thing!

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John King
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Here we go again...last week is was multivitamins and now this week its Vitamin E.  Once again its synthetic vs. natural vitamins.  And once again they have loaded the bodies of study participants with an imbalance of nutrients.  I am beginning to think that Dr. Mercola puts these articles on his website just to envoke all these responses.  

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Any time you take 400 units of Vitamin E, whether natural or synthetic, it is not natural.  It never comes in these amounts in food, and it doesn't come as an isolate.  There are thousands of other nutrients, factors, and co-factors that come with every single nutrient found in nature.  They never come alone, nor do they come in "mega" amounts.  Totally unnatural which cause imbalances and health problems.  It's no big surprise that the studies would show this.

  
  
avicennayong
[ Joined on 03/08 ] [ Posted on March 23, 2008 ]
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I just did an assignment about beta-carotene and lung cancer risk. Many researches also suspected that beta-carotene supplements may induce cancer risk when taken in high dose. Supplements cannot replace natural flood ,since there are a lot of good stuffs in natural food, well as Hippocrates said:Let food be thy medicine, let medicine be thy food
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Lynn M
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Lung cancer is on the rise and there is just no question about it.   I think that one thing that  a lot of people are overlooking is the level of depleted uranium in our envioronment.  Also, have you taken notice to all of the chemtrails in the sky?   Just some food for thought here.  

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DizzyIzzy1
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Chemtrails really scare me... there's something so sinister about them. I hate waking up to a clear day and seeing the sky gradually fill up with 'clouds'. I really, really get the shivers just thinking about it.

  
  
Bobette Jane
[ Joined on 04/07 ] [ Posted on April 10, 2008 ]
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I find this very interesting, especially since research shows that it is virtually impossible to increase smokers' lung vit. E levels to normal and since research also shows that high amounts of vit. E prevent or significantly reduce post-exercise muscle soreness. Vit. E also works synergistically with vit. C. So, what's the bottom line? Personally, since I don't smoke, eat a diet very low in hydrogenated oils, and work out hard, I'll take my chances with my supplemental mixed tocopherols....

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tervur
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SUPPLEMENTATION OF "REAL E-VITAMIN" MAY BE NEEDED IN HIGH OXIDATIVE STRESS

Considering the high level of oxidative stress in modern society, not the least  due to air pollution including smoking, there is a risk that natural food is not always enough to provide the required amount of E-vitamin to meet this high level of oxidative stress. Considering the documented protective effect of E-vitamin against damage from air pollutants, we should not exclude the possibility that smokers and people exposed to polluted air, including those going by car every day in dense traffic, need a food supplement with a real E-vitamin compound, that is tocoferols as well as tocotrienols in all the four varieties alpha, beta, gamma and delta. Found btw in good amounts among others in palm oil (however questionable for ethical reasons but thats another story) and coconut oil which is healthy in many other ways.

QUESTIONABLE TO CALL ALPHA-TOCOPHEROL A VITAMIN

Alpha tocoferol, the substance found in most "E-vitamin" preparations does not exist in isolation in nature and increasing evidence are indicating that it is the naturally occurring compound of tocoferols and tocotrienols that deserve the designation "vitamin" because these component seem to act in a complementary and synergistic way that balance the effects of the components.

It is therefore doubtful if the quoted research with isolated alpha-tocoferol in high doses has any relevance to the safety of the real, natural E-vitamin compound.

Tervur, M.D., practicing natural medicine (No liasion to E-vitamin compound producers)

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mung the merciful
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Please do not even consider using palm oil or palm oil products. You will be directly contributing to the extinction of orang utans (and countless other species) as Indonesia is in the process of clearing its rainforests to make way for a monoculture of palm plantations.

  
  
grulccm
[ Joined on 12/06 ] [ Posted on April 10, 2008 ]
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Give me a break.  MERCOLA- QUIT QUOTNG BAD SCIENCE.  Many, many studies have shown that studies which look at only one of the trio  A, C and E, will show that it can have negative effects.   When taken together they have tremendously good effect.    Why?    One of this trio of anti-oxidants converts the oxidants into a different set of oxidants which the next one  takes and converts into yet another  set of oxidants.  The final one ( C I THINK)  then converts it yet again and flushes them out of the system.   Studying only one  of these vitamins creates a bogus result.  Note - I have no commercial interest in any of the products unlike Mercola.

By the way, it has been known for a LOOONG time that taking too much E , especially if you aren't used to E, will RAISE blood pressure.  Start off at 100 or 200 units per day.  Do a month at each level.  Slowly build up to 400 units.   In most cases that is ample when taken daily.    In any event, you must ALWAYS find your own level of any supplement/nutirent/vitamin by listening to your own body - and that may include taking your  own blood pressure if need be.  

Read the other studies.  You will find that the boogey man of "too much E is bad" has been discredited many times over the last decade or so.    Sheeeessh

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Nadyne
[ Joined on 07/07 ] [ Posted on April 10, 2008 ]
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What kind of Vitamin E was tested.  Was it synthetic or was it the real deal?  I wouldn't take anything except the real deal.  Why poison myself with the synthetic kind.

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