Oct. 21, 2009

Swine Flu Cases Overestimated?

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(CBS)  If you've been diagnosed "probable" or "presumed" 2009 H1N1 or "swine flu" in recent months, you may be surprised to know this: odds are you didn’t have H1N1 flu.

In fact, you probably didn’t have flu at all. That's according to state-by-state test results obtained in a three-month-long CBS News investigation.

The ramifications of this finding are important. According to the Center for Disease Control, CDC, and Britain's National Health Service, once you have H1N1 flu, you're immune from future outbreaks of the same virus. Those who think they've had H1N1 flu -- but haven't -- might mistakenly presume they're immune. As a result, they might skip taking a vaccine that could help them, and expose themselves to others with H1N1 flu under the mistaken belief they won't catch it. Parents might not keep sick children home from school, mistakenly believing they've already had H1N1 flu.

Why the uncertainty about who has and who hasn't had H1N1 flu?

CBSNews.com report on H1N1

In late July, the CDC abruptly advised states to stop testing for H1N1 flu, and stopped counting individual cases. The rationale given for the CDC guidance to forego testing and tracking individual cases was: why waste resources testing for H1N1 flu when the government has already confirmed there's an epidemic?

Some public health officials privately disagreed with the decision to stop testing and counting, telling CBS News that continued tracking of this new and possibly changing virus was important because H1N1 has a different epidemiology, affects younger people more than seasonal flu and has been shown to have a higher case fatality rate than other flu virus strains.

CBS News learned that the decision to stop counting H1N1 flu cases was made so hastily that states weren't given the opportunity to provide input. Instead, on July 24, the Council for State and Territorial Epidemiologists, CSTE, issued the following notice to state public health officials on behalf of the CDC:

"Attached are the Q&As that will be posted on the CDC website tomorrow explaining why CDC is no longer reporting case counts for novel H1N1. CDC would have liked to have run these by you for input but unfortunately there was not enough time before these needed to be posted (emphasis added)."

On Aug. 4, CBS News asked the CDC for e-mail communications to states and other documents regarding the guidance and its rationale. When CDC did not provide us with the documents, such as state-by-state numbers prior to halting testing and tracking, we filed a Freedom of Information request with the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). More than two months later, the request has not been fulfilled.


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Video above: A CBS News producer asks the director of the CDC, Dr. Thomas Frieden, for this information at a press conference on Sept. 19.

We asked all 50 states for their statistics on state lab-confirmed H1N1 prior to the halt of individual testing and counting in July. The results reveal a pattern that surprised a number of health care professionals we consulted. The vast majority of cases were negative for H1N1 as well as seasonal flu, despite the fact that many states were specifically testing patients deemed to be most likely to have H1N1 flu, based on symptoms and risk factors, such as travel to Mexico.

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It’s unknown what patients who tested negative for flu were actually afflicted with since the illness was not otherwise determined. Health experts say it’s assumed the patients had some sort of cold or upper respiratory infection that is just not influenza.

With most cases diagnosed solely on symptoms and risk factors, the H1N1 flu epidemic may seem worse than it is. For example, on Sept. 22, this alarming headline came from Georgetown University in Washington D.C.: "H1N1 Flu Infects Over 250 Georgetown Students."

H1N1 flu can be deadly and an outbreak of 250 students would be an especially troubling cluster. However, the number of sick students came not from lab-confirmed tests but from "estimates" made by counting "students who went to the Student Health Center with flu symptoms, students who called the H1N1 hotline or the Health Center's doctor-on-call, and students who went to the hospital's emergency room."

Without lab testing, it's impossible to know how many of the students actually had H1N1 flu. But the statistical trend indicates it was likely much fewer than 250.

CDC continues to monitor flu in general and H1N1 through "sentinels," which basically act as spot-checks to detect trends around the nation. But at least one state, California, has found value in tracking H1N1 flu in greater detail.

"What we are doing is much more detailed and expensive than what CDC wants," said Dr. Bela Matyas, California's Acting Chief of Emergency Preparedness and Response. "We're gathering data better to answer how severe is the illness. With CDC's fallback position, there are so many uncertainties with who's being counted, it's hard to know how much we're seeing is due to H1N1 flu rather than a mix of influenza diseases generally. We can tell that apart but they can't."

After our conversation with Dr. Matyas, public affairs officials with the California Department of Public Health emphasized to CBS News that they support CDC policy to stop counting individual cases, maintaining that the state has the resources to gather more specific testing data than the CDC.

Because of the uncertainties, the CDC advises even those who were told they had H1N1 to get vaccinated unless they had lab confirmation. "Persons who are uncertain about how they were diagnosed should get the 2009 H1N1 vaccine."

That's unwelcome news for a Marietta, Georgia mom whose two children were diagnosed with "probable" H1N1 flu over the summer. She hoped that would mean they wouldn't need the hastily developed H1N1 flu vaccine. However, since their cases were never confirmed with lab tests, the CDC advises they get the vaccine. "I wish they had tested and that I knew for sure whether they had it. I'm not anxious to give them an experimental vaccine if they don't need it."

Speaking to CBS' "60 Minutes," CDC Director Dr. Frieden said he has confidence that the vaccine will be safe and effective: "We're confident it will be effective we have every reason to believe that it will be safe."

However, the CDC recommendation for those who had "probable" or "presumed" H1N1 flu to go ahead and get vaccinated anyway means the relatively small proportion of those who actually did have H1N1 flu will be getting the vaccine unnecessarily. This exposes them to rare but significant side effects, such as paralysis from Guillain-Barre syndrome.

It also uses up vaccine, which is said to be in short supply. The CDC was hoping to have shipped 40 million doses by the end of October, but only about 30 million doses will be available this month.

The CDC did not response to questions from CBS News for this report.

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by puzzler125 October 21, 2009 7:10 PM EDT
Borg99 did your child, and other children at the same school have H1N1 TESTS that determined actual H1N1 flu?
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by megkat October 21, 2009 5:50 PM EDT
Cpthowdy, apparently you are the one who did not read the full article. Quote" "We asked all 50 states for their statistics on state lab-confirmed H1N1 PRIOR TO THE HALT OF INDIVIDUAL TESTING AND COUNTING IN JULY. The results reveal a pattern that surprised a number of health care professionals we consulted. The vast majority of cases were negative for H1N1 as well as seasonal flu..." (Emphasis added). As such, the article and purported results were based on statistics ending in July. They spent the past 3 months studying the July and earlier statistics, while completely ignoring the fact that H1N1 began spreading across the nation after that time. (Moreover, most of the testing in July and earlier were people who after all the May news reports panicked and got tested if they had a sniffle) They reach the conclusion that because most people in the July and prior statistics did not have swine that odds are most people being diagnosed with probable or presumed swine flu now don't have it, a conclusion that is completely contrary to recent testing results which they have ignored. That is absolutely ridiculous. I am not saying this to panic anyone as in my opinon H1N1 is not really any different or more dangerous than the regular seasonal flu other than the fact that more people will catch it because most people have no immunity. I'm also not saying I trust the rushed to market vaccine.
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by co2user October 21, 2009 7:35 PM EDT
I was told recently by a doctor at an after-hours pediatric care facility that my 3-year-old tested positive for the flu. She also said that flu was most likely H1N1. I asked her if they were going to verify. She said no, they don't test for the particular strain at that level.
At that point, I told her not to tell me that it was H1N1, not to put on her chart that she has H1N1 or anywhere in their system that they diagnosed a case of H1N1. All my daughter has is the flu, a flu she was over in about 30 hours.
by mary_moran October 21, 2009 5:47 PM EDT
Better safe than sorry: My child came home from school saying that they learned to cough and sneeze into their elbow with Germy Wormie, and I was totally taken aback. I always covered with my hands. But I went to the website and now I get it, hands touch, elbows don't!! Kids can touch 300 surfaces in 1/2 hour and they hate to wash their hands. This is a simple thing that can make a huge difference. There is also an entertaining DVD that teaches them in a fun way the elbow cough, as well as other important hygiene habits.
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by mikevivo October 21, 2009 5:05 PM EDT
The layout of this comment page is giving me a headache :) I cannot telling who is saying what to who. Maybe I am doing something wrong. I hope cpt Howdy wasn't calling me an idiot as I am quite the TS fan :)
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by mikevivo October 21, 2009 5:09 PM EDT
yes, I said I cannot telling :)
by mikevivo October 21, 2009 4:50 PM EDT
The government and media brought all of this skepticism on themselves with their 'boy who cried wolf' ways. It really is a shame. I agree habusteve, the 'evil' drug companies that are getting paid for this must be loving it. :) I give it about 6 months before they are being sued or investigated for something. Just how the circle of life goes I guess.
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by habusteve October 21, 2009 4:43 PM EDT
Its about time the news media started investigating the real reason behind the scare tactics the CDC and the government have been using to sell us on the swine flu vaccine.We are the only country in the world that has gone crazy with fear over the swine flu that is not even close and never will come close to becoming an epidemic.Im sure the companies that make the vaccine are laughing all the way to the bank.
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by txzdy October 21, 2009 4:38 PM EDT
Indeed, far too few are passing away from this "pandemic". Amazing how resilient humans are. It was thought that AIDS would wipeout masses of people but no. What will the evil-doers come up with next? So far it seems that genocide-war and famine work best to reduce the population. And there's always abortion and if they can get the death panels going then the oldsters can be widdled at.
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by Cpt_Howdy October 21, 2009 4:32 PM EDT
Now that the information is out that the government screwed up, I'm sure a lot of people aren't going to get vaccinated for H1N1. This is bad because it's going to be those people who get it and spread it all over the place. Just because a huge number of people confirmed with it, actually don't, that doesn't mean that the virus isn't out there. It still is. And no doubt that it probably can spread fast. I'm just upset that they stopped testing for it, and that the tests they do have for it aren't very accurate. How the hell are we going to be able to come up with facts and real statistics if we can't even be sure that the people that tested negative don't have it. They'd have to test everyone like 4 times before it would be confirmed really negative or positive. That's time consuming. Or maybe it will just start spreading like wildfire in winter, or spring when all the bacteria thaws.
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by mikevivo October 21, 2009 4:18 PM EDT
by jsilver2th October 21, 2009 3:28 PM EDT
There are so many outrageous claims by the anti-vaccine people- I'm not that bug of a vaccine person per se but honestly a lot of the critics are no more than paranoid nut jobs and biggoted whackos- the people with legitimate complaints are undoubtedly afraid to be seen in the company of these psychos. One person here claims that Obama is using the vaccines for population control- right- I tell you Beck, Limbaugh, Palin and Coulter should be proud and I wonder how many ditto heads and 9-12 freaks will get a sympathy card after they kick the bucket"



Sorry, I cant let this go. Who? Who said that in here? I do not see it.
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by borg99 October 21, 2009 4:07 PM EDT
Swine flu is rampant in east Tennessee. My school-age son and most of his friends have had it (and survived). But it's tough on some kids, especially those with allergies or other reactive airway problems.
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by jsilver2th October 21, 2009 3:53 PM EDT
Survival of the fittest:

The Limbaugh, Palin, Beck, Coulter legions of the deranged paranoids don't get vaccinated.
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by mikevivo October 21, 2009 3:58 PM EDT
That is fine by me. I have no intention of getting vaccinated. I will talk to you the same time next year alive and kicking and worried about the horse pneumonia or whatever the new thing is. Oh, and please don't say the entitlement party is the fittest, that is the biggest joke I have ever heard. Shouldn't the fittest be considered so because they can stand on there own without their hand out?
by jsilver2th October 21, 2009 4:06 PM EDT
Right and the Spanish Flu Epedemic of 1918 is a hoax like the holocaust?

Don't believe Doctors- believe some whacked out Pentecostal like Sarah Palin who believes that her prayers will heal you.
by jsilver2th October 21, 2009 3:21 PM EDT
Until they get the vaccine in place they should quit telling people to get one.

We don't even have the 'old' vaccine out here in the sticks- our local clinic that probably serves about 2000 square miles at least- does not even have the 'old' vaccine- we were refered to one of the chain store drug departments and now they are out of the 'old' one as well and claim they are not able to get more...

The H1N1 vaccine is not to be found short region wide and the whole state- some in the grade schools-

People are told to get their vaccines on TV and you get there and no one has any- very disconcerting- my 89 year old mother was very upset that there was no vaccine even after our third attempt-
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by Cpt_Howdy October 21, 2009 4:00 PM EDT
It's targeting children more than anyone, typically up to 21. Other people can get it, but it behaves differently than the regular flu, which infects babies and older adults.
by ulyssesmsu October 21, 2009 3:06 PM EDT
As many as "feared" or as many as reported by this Obama-worshiping news organization?

When will CBS ever, if ever, start reporting the news instead of trying to make the news in favor of their pet left-wing ideologies?
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by mikevivo October 21, 2009 3:11 PM EDT
ulyssesmsu....When pigs fly? When Swine flew? Sorry, I'm just bored today :)
by jsilver2th October 21, 2009 3:28 PM EDT
There are so many outrageous claims by the anti-vaccine people- I'm not that bug of a vaccine person per se but honestly a lot of the critics are no more than paranoid nut jobs and biggoted whackos- the people with legitimate complaints are undoubtedly afraid to be seen in the company of these psychos. One person here claims that Obama is using the vaccines for population control- right- I tell you Beck, Limbaugh, Palin and Coulter should be proud and I wonder how many ditto heads and 9-12 freaks will get a sympathy card after they kick the bucket for not getting vacinated- it's sad but then all the more vaccine for the sane people...
by jsilver2th October 21, 2009 3:38 PM EDT
There are so many paranoid nut jobs and whacked out morons spreading lies and biggoted misinformation- I am not the most pro-vaccination person but would anyone who is sane with legitimate criticisms want to be seen as one of these nut jobs? I heard one locally claim Obama was using the vaccinations for population contraol- right and then they take you on a flying saucer with Cartman.

Limbaugh, Beck, Coulter and Palin should be proud of their little legion of mentally demented- will any of them being sending sympathy cards to those that don't get vaccinated and meet their demise? I doubt it as it would interfere with book signings.

That's ok- the fewer nut jobs that get vaccinated, the more doses for the sane people- that's all kind of harsh but it is true.
by taijiguy October 21, 2009 2:47 PM EDT
The swine flu scare is as big a farce as was SARS. Remember that phony SARS "epidemic" where about 800 people died worldwide while more than a thousand die every day from regular seasonal flu?
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by jsilver2th October 21, 2009 4:14 PM EDT
Right and the Spanish Flu Epedemic of 1918 is a hoax like the holocaust?
by megkat October 21, 2009 2:36 PM EDT
I can not believe this article got past the CBS fact checkers. I no longer have any faith in CBS reporting. CBS is claiming that the cases are overestimated based on PRE-JULY test results- results at least a month BEFORE H1N1 started rapidly spreading across the U.S. and 2 months BEFORE it became widespread in most states. This is irresponsible reporting. Many states are still testing. One previous poster already linked to the Texas statistics showing how blatently wrong this article is. For the week ending October 3, 2009, 13,921 samples were tested nationwide. Of those, 4,093 (29.4%) tested postive for Influenza. You must also take into account that the rapid flu test is known to give a false negative 40-60% of the time, which means that of that 13,921, many of those people probably had the flu, but the test result was incorrect. Of the 4093 which tested positive, 99.6% were Influenza A (of which H1N1 is a subtype)- only 15 flu positives were not subtype A. When further testing was performed on 2522 of the samples, 2505 came back as H1N1 and the other 17 could not be subtyped. The remainder of the samples were not further tested and subtyped. That means not one of the samples that actually was subtyped came back as anything OTHER than H1N1. This article is flat out wrong and extremely misleading. H1N1 is clearly rampant in the US right now. http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/
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by jsf14 October 21, 2009 3:15 PM EDT
Hey, you're confusing us with facts :-)
by Cpt_Howdy October 21, 2009 3:43 PM EDT
You obviously don't know what your talking about. Did you not understand what this meant? It doesn't matter what just came out October 3ed for Texas. Today, and a period over study this for 3 months, they've found out that they have been over exaggerating everything because of the swine flu. Most people didn't even have H1N1, it was just the regular flu, or they weren't even sick. If they confirmed you to have H1N1, then your going to think your sick anyway, and doing that will trick your mind and body into thinking you are, therefore you develop symptoms.And this isn't based on Pre-July test results. Did you not read the article? Or watch the video? They have been studying it for 3 months, and it was still exaggerating to the point where the number of cases were ridiculous. Out of about 14000 people, only 2% actually had it. That's a low percentage. And it said if you have been confirmed to have H1N1 in the past FEW months, you most likely don't have it.
by ducklivers October 21, 2009 2:14 PM EDT
I'm not 100% certain. But I think this is George Bush's fault. He should have anticipated there would be Swine Flu coming out of Mexico and acted early before leaving office to mitigate its deleterious impact on society. Katrina was his fault for not signing the Kyoto Accords. H1N1 is his fault for not building the border fence higher.

H1N1 is a problem and will be Obama's Katrina.
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by omaranderson October 21, 2009 1:55 PM EDT
Aren't these the same "coneheads" that decided to fact check a skit about Obama on Saturday Night Live?
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by martin9p2 October 21, 2009 1:23 PM EDT
My son had the flu in August and the doc said H1N1-specific testing had stopped because a) labs were overloaded, and b) 90% of H1N1 suspects tested were indeed H1N1, and c) the labs were wasting their time proving H1N1 when PLENTY of H1N1 had indeed been found and the treatment would be the same whether H1N1 or not H1N1. Oh, CBS scandal-monger, answer this one.
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by Cpt_Howdy October 21, 2009 3:45 PM EDT
Yeah, and it says that most of the cases were false. Your kid probably had the regular flu, unless he was hanging around Mexico when it broke out.
by martin9p2 October 21, 2009 1:18 PM EDT
CBS is trying to inject itself into a story by claiming another scandal, interfering with the CDC who I trust I lot more that I trust CBS to handle health issues.
This is crappy journalism.
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by bciss October 21, 2009 1:55 PM EDT
I can not imagine why on earth you would trust either. The CDC was a major driving force behind the last "swine flu" which was far less of a threat than the vaccine they whipped people into a hysteria to take. Further the news and our government are so full of lies and double talk these days, it is stunning anyone puts much stock in either.
by Oregon_State_OSU October 21, 2009 1:03 PM EDT
It seems that everybody is pushing the panic button with this H1N1 Flu stuff.

Its typical that everybody over reacts and goes into panic mode.
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