By Clare Swinney, Member of Scholars For 9/11 Truth & Justice.
I was wrongly diagnosed as delusional by the psychiatric staff of Ward 7 at Northland Base Hospital in Whangarei and held 
against my will for 11 days in mid-2006, because I maintained the attacks of 9/11 were orchestrated by criminal elements inside the US Administration.
In light of the definition, one of the most astounding aspects to the ordeal was that when I met with the chief psychiatrist, Dr Carlos Zubaran for two formal mental health assessments, I held Issue 3 of Uncensored, which is shown in the picture above, and asked him to look at information related to the 9/11 attacks. This magazine contained an article I’d written entitled: Why Does TVNZ Lie To Us About 9/11?, which cited evidence that proved the official fable was a lie – yet reminiscent of the fabled vampires afraid of the light of day, he refused to even cast his eyes over it, during both of the so-called “assessments.”
Another astounding aspect to what occurred was that Section 4 of the New Zealand Mental Health Act makes it clear that no one can be judged to be mentally ill solely on the basis of their political beliefs. The District Inspector for Mental Health – Northland, barrister Julie Young; Bridget Westenra, the lawyer she appointed to assist me and the staff of Ward 7, including the chief psychiatrist, did not appear to know this. As can be seen, it is written in layman’s language on page 33 of Chapter 2 of Mental Health (Compulsory Assessment and Treatment) Act 1992, which is on the Ministry of Health’s own website: ‘You cannot be considered to have a mental disorder just because of your: political, religious or cultural beliefs…’.
As this Judgement shows, because of his reluctance to scrutinize the evidence related to 9/11 and apparent lack of awareness of Section 4 of the Act, nine days into my incarceration, Dr Zubaran still held the belief I suffered from a “delusional disorder” because of my political beliefs.
The evidence that shows the official story of 9/11 was indeed a lie is now overwhelming. We now have what has been referred to as the “loaded gun” – this is the unignited nanothermite, a highly-advanced explosive substance, which was far too sophisticated a composite to have originated from a cave in Afghanistan. Think military. Think US government.
The following article, which relates to what occurred in Ward 7, was published in Issue 8 of Uncensored. Thankfully, since writing about what happened and making numerous phone calls, plus sending many letters, as well as supplying numerous DVDs to the staff of Ward 7 to show them the truth about 9/11 – and then finally threatening to protest outside the hospital, the Clinical Director of Mental Health & Addiction Services in Northland sent an apology in August 2008, which can be viewed here.
Dr Zubaran did not apologise.
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POLITICAL PRISONER
Clare Swinney brought a complaint to the Broadcasting Standards Authority pointing out that TVNZ’s claim that Osama bin Laden carried out the attacks of 9/11 was an outright lie. Shortly afterwards, she was threatened and then incarcerated in a psychiatric ward. Following a week of compulsory treatment, the head psychiatrist told a judge that she should remain in hospital, as her belief that 9/11 was an inside job was evidence she was “delusional.” The judge agreed. This is her extraordinary story:
On the morning of June the 6th 2006, two social workers came to the door and advised that they’d come to take me to the public hospital’s psychiatric facility, as they’d heard I might be suicidal. Although I ventured to enlighten them I wasn’t, they didn’t listen as their unit had received a phone call from an ill-informed family member who’d said I might be on the verge of killing myself. As it was apparent from their demeanour that my psychological state was a foregone conclusion, I asked if my flatmate, Brian Kennedy could come with us and attest that I was fine and most certainly not suicidal.
I picked up my bag and appropriate evidence for the meeting and walked anxiously to their car, where one of them warned that the two police officers who had driven into the driveway, were there to stop me from running away. In retrospect, I probably would have done if I’d known the emotional cost of what lay ahead.
At Whangarei Hospital, Brian and I were transferred into Ward 7, which is a secure, locked up area, and then herded into a meeting room, where we waited for several nail-biting minutes before the middle-aged psychiatric registrar, Dr Mothafar Abass entered and introduced himself. In a rather detached fashion, he advised that he would be conducting my suicide risk assessment, and then hurried through it, as if he was pressed for time.
Mindful that this was to determine whether I was to be committed under the Mental Health Act, I found his manner disturbing to say the very least. He didn’t appear to fully understand me, nor did he give me sufficient time to explain myself to a level appropriate for this kind of evaluation, and in one instance, he even spoke over me in a rush to get to the next question. For instance, when he inquired if I’d been treated for depression, I replied I had, but wasn’t given an opportunity to explain that it wasn’t relevant to this assessment, as it was substance-induced, caused by sniffing a general anaesthetic intermittently when a teenager. Likewise, when he asked if I had a sense of hopelessness about the future, I replied I did, but had no chance to clarify that it was based in reality, experienced by some of my friends also and related to the political and environmental state of the earth. It wasn’t a core symptom of suicidality in this case, as I could see he assumed it was.
Then came the big issue of my supposedly being suicidal. As I told Dr Abass, but not in this detail, the story began in May 2006, following my complaints to TVNZ and the Broadcasting Standards Authority (BSA) about a TV1 news item which placed the blame for 9/11 fallaciously on Osama bin Laden, [1]. Paradoxically, while the BSA chose to “decline to determine” my complaint, they became propagandists themselves by alleging that Osama bin Laden’s “involvement [in 9/11] is a widely accepted fact supported by the weight of credible evidence,” [2].
Bin Laden's FBI Page - No Mention of 9/11
As many Uncensored readers now know, there is not a shred of hard evidence to show bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11, and even Dick Cheney had acknowledged this, [3]. Consequently, on May the 6th, two days after the BSA decision was released, I e-mailed their office and asked why the BSA panel had failed to take Cheney’s pivotal admission regarding bin Laden into account, that “evidence has never been forthcoming.” I further stated, “Their failure to do so is utterly disgraceful in my opinion, as it is indicative that they are failing in 
their duty to do proper research prior to arriving at important decisions and therefore making a farce out of their obligation to serve the public.”
As well as poking a spanner in the works there, I had been distributing 9/11-truth DVDs to people in the New Zealand media and posting 9/11-related information on Internet newsgroups. While I knew I was courting danger, I continued to do so because I believed that doing nothing was ultimately more dangerous.
I received a number of veiled death threats via e-mail between late-May and early-June 2006, which included, “You are right about the assassination part,” and “I like to pull my guns out and shoot at moving targets,” while a number of benign messages received during the same period, were accompanied by a photo of a man holding a shot gun. I believed they were from the Security Intelligence Service, (SIS), who’d targeted me for a psychological operation – a psyops – because I was a political activist challenging the validity of the government’s portrayal of 9/11.
Although I didn’t have the opportunity to tell Dr Abass this, I speculated that as a whole these e-mails were designed to prime me with fear for a subsequent encounter with a man, who looked the part of a cold-war assassin, which took place on June the 1st. This pallid-skinned, clean-shaven man with dark blond hair, who was dressed in expensive-looking black clothing and was sporting an army-style hair cut, looked completely out of place in mid-town Whangarei. He made a point of coming uncomfortably close up behind me while I waited at a major intersection in town on June the 1st. There was no reason for him to have come as close as he did, unless he had wanted to intimidate me, so I stepped several meters to the left, to put a safe distance between us. When the buzzer signalled that it was time to cross, I walked purposefully slowly and got directly behind him. When we reached the pavement on the other side of the road, he glanced backwards briefly, his cold grey-blue eyes scanning my face to see if I was watching him, and then he clenched and unclenched his right hand four times. I carried on walking and saw he’d stopped on a corner and was watching me, and then when I looked back again a few seconds later, he had gone.
I was absolutely terrified by this, particularly so as I was horribly conscious of the content of the threatening e-mails I had received in the days preceding this. (A Englishman who has been researching the New World Order, stated he has heard of these kind of tactics being used “often” to harass people in “the anti-war and 9-11 Truth Movement.” His letter to the hospital can be viewed at the end of this post). Consequently, with my heart thumping wildly, I strode to Police Superintendent Viv Rickard, who happened to be in the town Mall at the time, and told him that I believed the SIS was threatening my life because of my work in exposing the truth about 9/11. Rickard said he believed me, but said he thought that others on the police force might not, so advised me to deal with him directly about the matter.
Subsequent to the encounter with the man dressed in black, I had a discussion with a family member about hypothetical scenarios and my very real fears, to the point at which I said that if it were between a man with a gun and tablets, I would prefer the latter. Fortunately however, I received an e-mail on June the 2nd, -I believed it was from the SIS, which intimated that the threats would cease as it appeared I had gotten the message.
Although I tried to get Dr Abass to listen to me about the context my statement was made in, my hopes sunk like a submarine when his body language indicated he’d stopped listening to me and his resolve to commit me was rapidly gathering momentum.
Brian, recognizing my situation was looking bleak, told Dr Abass that as I was so knowledgeable and active in this area of politics, it wasn’t at all surprising I had been threatened. He also advised that he’d seen the e-mails containing threats, and he perceived them as intimidating, and said in spite of these, I wasn’t suicidal – I was fine.
Nonetheless, to my horror, at my assessment’s completion, Dr Abass told me I would be held in the secure unit under 
the Mental Health Act for 5 days for further assessment. And as if this news wasn’t bad enough, he told me I hadn’t been threatened, I had misinterpreted the messages and that was because I was suffering from a delusional disorder. He said he was prescribing antipsychotic medication to combat this problem and as I was depressed, he told me I should go on a course of antidepressants also.
I sat stunned, the reality of my predicament closing over me like a grave. I was in a prison for the mentally ill, wrongly diagnosed as depressed, delusional and suicidal because of a case of what I believed to be medical incompetence. I choked down the bile from my anger, approached the door and said: “OK. Take me to my room!”
It came as no surprise, when I demanded to peruse my file with one of my nurses a few days later, to find it littered with misleading comments and Dr Abass had written that Brian was delusional too! I had been perceived, interpreted, construed and categorized incorrectly. Dr Abass had given me a score of 14 on a suicide scale for which anything over 12 is regarded as “risky.” As my mother had committed suicide, my score was raised from what would have been 11 to 14, and as he’d made inferences based on incomplete information, the full score belied my condition warranted hospitalization.
Contents Of Magazine Article I'd Written Proved I Was Not "Delusional"
A young nurse escorted me down a foreboding corridor, to a small dowdy room with two single beds, two cupboards and a hand basin in it. I felt so disempowered; I lay face down on my bed for over four hours, agonizing that I was vulnerable to misdiagnosis by other staff members because of what I knew as a journalist. As Aldous Huxley had put it, “Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad.”
I found my first day in Ward 7 very troubling to say the least, for a number of reasons. Nurses came in to check on me and although I hadn’t had anything to eat for around 20 hours, ( as I didn’t have the chance to eat my breakfast before being picked up from home), I was offered Valium before I was offered food or a cup of tea. It didn’t seem to concern the staff either that I only had the clothes I was wearing with me. Consequently, I phoned Brian and got him to bring in some personal effects, fruit, chocolate bars and enough clothing to last for 5 days.
As a polite way of telling the staff to “piss off and leave me alone,” shortly after arriving I stuck a notice above my bed: ‘WHILE MY HUMAN RIGHTS ARE BEING COMPROMISED LIKE THIS, PLEASE DO NOT EXPECT ME TO PARTAKE IN ANY SO-CALLED “TREATMENT”.’ Of course, it didn’t work. At night-time, I was forced to take Risperidone, a mind-altering medication administered to treat schizophrenia. I’d read about its dangerous side effects from a website I subscribe to called Mercola.com, so utterly resented being forced to swallow this poison by a zealous nurse who stood over me like a guard in a Soviet camp for political dissidents.
Although I consoled myself with the thought that it wouldn’t be long before a well-informed psychiatrist who could talk English fluently would realize that I’d been misdiagnosed, it wasn’t to be.
The following day I felt lethargic because of the medication. It looked as if most of the patients in the ward were up to their eyeballs on it, as they moped around, gazing woodenly, the majority seeming unable to engage in articulate coherent conversation. As it seemed there was no one to have a conversation with, I had a look around for things to do – there was no garden, only a small grimy area outside for the smokers that was fenced off from the hospital grounds with prison bars. There was however Ping-Pong, reading Woman’s Day and New Idea, watching TV and talking to nursing staff, many of whom were empathetic and well-intentioned.
The consultant psychiatrist, Dr Carlos Zubaran, approached me cheerfully that day and said he wished to talk to me. As 
I presumed there’d be no difficulty in correcting my misdiagnoses and as Dr Zubaran had the position of authority, I retrieved my evidence and strutted hopefully into the meeting room, thinking, ‘At last, he’ll realize I’m not mad and I’ll be released!’ However, no sooner had I sat down than it became apparent that the self-assured Brazilian had accepted Dr Abass’s diagnoses without question and was eager to commence treating my purported cases of delusional disorder and depression. It was so awful for me at that moment, realizing I was imprisoned, and the head warden was going to play a part in this surreal ordeal.
In a beleaguered manner, as the Risperidone was making me drowsy, I tried to describe my frightening ordeal and show him my e-mails and my article, Why Does TVNZ Lie to Us About 9/11? but he wouldn’t even spare 10 seconds to lean over and look at them. He said he didn’t want to hear about them and told me I was “delusional” because I believed 9/11 was an inside job.
Charlie Sheen - Delusional Too?
I could tell it was a waste of time pointing out that I was far from alone in this belief and that a CNN poll conducted in March 2006 had shown that over 82% supported Charlie Sheen, when he went public with his opinion that the official story of 9/11 was highly questionable to say the very least. If I had raised these types of matters, Dr Zubaran would have probably said it was further evidence of a delusional disorder.
As if he believed he was in possession of extra-sensory perception, he said, “I know what’s wrong with you” with a glimmering smile, and then to my alarm he began questioning me in the manner one would expect from a card-carrying member of a Freudian Institute for Clinical Practice. Although I was full of anguish and immense frustration, I think rage is not an exaggeration to describe my mood, I was forced to answer this totally irrelevant track of questioning for several minutes. “Did you use a condom with your last partner?” “When was your last sexual encounter?” “Who was your last partner?” “Who initiated the sex?” 
“How often do you have sex?” and “Have you been questioned before like this about your sex life?” he inquired. When I could no longer stomach wasting time on this nonsense, I briefly tried to draw his attention to the issue of my misdiagnoses and present my evidence, but like Dr Abass, he wasn’t interested in engaging me in a reasonable interview. There was obviously no easy way out of my buttonholing, and I could see imploring for help wasn’t going to get me anywhere either, so I ended the session after only five or so minutes by storming out of the comfortless room, miserable and livid with indignation.
In the ensuing days, I made a concerted effort to make the staff realize I wasn’t delusional. I wrote in a note that I had a M.Sc. (Hons) and was highly regarded for my research as a journalist. ‘One can not do this, if one is “delusional”’, it concluded. I also recommended that they look on the Internet to verify some of what I was saying, and I provided them with search terms for Google. Although Dr Abass said he’d looked at these web pages and claimed to have understood the relevance of the information, to my amazement and mystification, he said he was increasing my dose of Risperidone to find a “therapeutic dosage.” When I protested, saying that I wasn’t delusional and I didn’t like the way the medication made me feel, he told me I had to take it and reiterated that he also wanted me to go on antidepressants.
On one occasion I’d cried at the communal dining table, but this was a normal response to my current circumstances, not evidence of a major depressive illness. Nonetheless, he was convinced I was depressed, owing to his initial faulty assessment of me and so recommended that I take Aropax. I refused, telling him I’d written an article for Investigate about it in 2004 and was aware that numerous studies had found that placebos were often just as effective as antidepressants, and there was significant evidence to show that Aropax was addictive also.
Following this gut-wrenching meeting, I forlornly walked into the lounge and spoke with a nurse about not wishing to take the Risperidone. Unsympathetically, she advised that if I refused to take it, I would be injected with it. An old schizophrenic woman who’d refused hers because she thought she was pregnant, told me she was given a shot, so with tears in my eyes, I swallowed the larger dose, which did nothing other than make me feel like a zombie and so sluggish, I even struggled to maintain conversations. I was particularly worried about this latter side effect because I knew I had to be able to communicate fluently to be able to dig myself out of this nightmarish hole and make people realise I was grounded in reality.
Nurses asked me questions to establish my state of mind each day. Apart from a young one who childishly told me I was “stupid” to work in this dangerous area, most listened respectfully and attentively, and to my immense relief, a number told me they didn’t think I was delusional.
I had a lengthy conversation with a nurse on my fourth day, during which she said it was easy to tell who didn’t belong in the Ward and clearly I didn’t. The psychiatrists got so used to seeing “daises,” – when they saw something else, they sometimes couldn’t recognize it, she said.
In spite of the growing awareness amongst the nursing staff that I wasn’t mentally ill, the doctors opted to extend my stay beyond 5 days. I can’t remember being given a reason why, but I assumed it was because they wished to continue my assessment.
In my second session with Dr Zubaran, which was a week after the first abortive one, he began by telling me he had a Ph.D. in psychopharmacology and that I should consider going on an antidepressant such as Aropax. He said proudly that he’d run a double-blind study that had shown how effective antidepressants could be and I should at least give them a go. I again refused and tried to explain that if he was so concerned about my mental health, he should discharge me immediately as I loathed being in hospital – I found it almost unbearable.
I again beckoned him to look at the threats I’d received, but instead he sniped curtly, “They’re a defence mechanism.” I choked with emotion and got up and walked out – again after only a few minutes, absolutely livid with anger, as I could see no end to this trial, which judging by the look on his face, appeared to be nothing more than a minor part of a days work.
When I spoke to one of my nurses about my misdiagnoses and my mounting sense of helplessness, he advised me to apply for a Section 16 hearing and put my case before a judge. He said it would be an informal meeting, where Dr Zubaran would state his case and I, mine. He gave me an application form to complete, which I did and he then faxed it to the District Inspector for Mental Health, Julie A. Young, who contacted me promptly to advise she would appoint a lawyer for the hearing, which would be on the following Wednesday, on the 14th of June.
As the days went by I persisted in complaining about the Risperidone, which one night had made me feel so breathless and headachy I’d felt compelled to ask for a nurse’s help. Subsequently, I told the head nurse that I felt better without it and thankfully, she accepted my word and advised that I didn’t have to take it if I didn’t want to, implying that they would turn a blind eye. From then on, when nurses brought it to me at medication time, and when I refused it, they didn’t threaten to inject me with it. That was encouraging, so too that the nurse who’d said I clearly didn’t belong in there, took me on a home visit to collect more proof that I wasn’t delusional. I got items for Dr Zubaran and the hearing, which included more of the e-mails that contained threats and documentaries on DVD which proved 9/11 was an inside job, such as 9/11: In Plane Site and 9/11: The Road to Tyranny.
On the day of the hearing I felt reasonably confident good sense would prevail and end Dr Zubaran’s reign of error. My father, who is an anaesthetist and knew 9/11 was an inside job, came to give his support, as did one of the nurses and the lawyer, Bridget Westenra, who’d been appointed by the District Inspector for Mental Health, to help. There were two psychiatrists present; Dr Zubaran, and a psychiatric registrar called Dr Vernon Reynolds, who had listened to me and informed my father and I before the meeting had started that he believed I should be discharged immediately.
The hearing was in a small unpretentious room in which the seven of us sat, watched over by an old bearded guard. The judge, Tim Druce, who was an elderly man who wore a brown suit, began by asking Dr Zubaran what he thought my problems were and if they were serious enough to warrant depriving me of my rights by keeping me in hospital under a compulsory treatment order.
Dr Zubaran set the stage by saying he found my case “challenging” and believed my problems justified my being held for 14 days for further assessment. He told Mr Druce that I had a problem because I’d had a hysterectomy that caused me to be depressed, I had unsafe sex and I drank too much – and concluded by saying that as I believed the US Administration had perpetrated 9/11, it was evident I was suffering from a “delusional disorder.”
Mr Druce, visibly deferent to Dr Zubaran, nodded his head in apparent agreement. The fact that I was a journalist and therefore might know something that they didn’t hadn’t seemed to have occurred to either of them.
Lamentably, Dr Reynolds, rather than advising the judge he thought I should released, displayed the backbone of a soufflé, presumably unwilling to challenge Dr Zubaran’s authority. Instead he wheedled in a flat, pessimistic voice that he was “ambivalent” about me being released. The nurse, however, said she had spoken to me and found me to be rational and in her opinion, I should be discharged.
Then the judge asked for my father’s opinion, noting he was a doctor and looking duly impressed. My father, Dr John Swinney said he thought I should be released and went on to boldly divulge that he agreed with my political beliefs. He said 9/11 was an inside job and he’d seen the evidence to prove it. His words rang out like a shot and everyone in the room tensed up. Mr Druce, looking awkward, grimaced and theatrically exclaimed: “Oh dear!,” and tellingly, didn’t question my father any further. It was as if his mind was coated with a varnish that waterproofed it from information that might get in the way of the hearing’s foregone result.
(My father, who decades earlier had aided his brother out of an institution, as he had been wrongly diagnosed as schizophrenic, told me after the hearing that he felt as if he was putting himself “in danger” by exposing his political beliefs before the so-called mental health “experts.”)
Mr Druce then turned to me and asked me what I thought, although it was apparent from the manner he was eyeing me mistrustfully that he regarded me as too unbalanced to make any rational statements. As I was anxious to be released, I battled on though and told him I’d worked as a journalist for over 5 years and had a Master of Science, then pointed out that instead of talking about my political beliefs, what we should be discussing is whether or not I’m suicidal – which I wasn’t. Doctors Zubaran and Reynolds both acknowledged that they didn’t think I was, and without hesitation. However, in spite of this and the provision in the Mental Health Act which states one can not be deemed to have a mental disorder because of one’s political beliefs, [4], Mr Druce, concurring with Dr Zubaran, concluded by saying he thought it best I remain hospitalized, as there was evidence I had a delusional disorder. I waited for my lawyer to challenge their decision, but she said nothing and instead penned “delusional” in her file notes. (View page 1 of Tim Druce’s judgement, where he stated Dr Zubaran believed I had a delusional disorder related to my political beliefs, here: http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr163/KiwiClare/SCAN0012.jpg ).
Following the hearing, a social worker friend, who works in Auckland, phoned me to find out how I was. I described what had happened and she was aghast, advising that my being held under a compulsory treatment order because of my political beliefs was in contravention of the Mental Health Act. She also mentioned that she knew of a patient with a number of mental health issues who had also voiced her opinion that 9/11 was an inside job, and she too had been judged negatively as a result. So I wasn’t alone.
To try and crack through this insanity and halt the spectacle of ignorance, I contacted Jon Eisen, the editor of Uncensored and asked him to write a letter to the staff of Ward 7. Mr Eisen, whose support and sympathy really helped to cheer me up that night, kindly wrote the following, which I printed several copies of during a brief home visit with a nurse, the next morning - which was day ten of the needless incarceration:
To whom it may concern
I am the editor of UNCENSORED magazine, a quarterly journal published in New Zealand and Australia. I have known Clare Swinney for about two years, during which time I have had the pleasure of working with her on several important projects.
I can say without hesitation that Clare is one of the best journalists in this country. Her work is very well known throughout New Zealand, and indeed internationally, as it has appeared in other journals beside UNCENSORED, including INVESTIGATE magazine, where she has broken many important stories. She is the kind of writer who any editor would be honoured to work with, as she is more than competent: she is thorough and her writing is, to put it mildly, simply brilliant.
There is no doubt that some of her work has come to the attention of people who do not wish her to cover some of the stories she has been writing about. Specifically I am referring to her most recent work in UNCENSORED which is both controversial and potentially dangerous for her. I have no doubt that when she says she has been threatened, she has indeed been. Clare is not by nature paranoid, nor is she delusional. She was, however, badly frightened, and given the dangerous nature of her work, there is no doubt in my mind that she probably had every right to be frightened. Journalists all over the world are being murdered for what they know. To be a journalist is to have one of the most dangerous jobs in the world right now.
In fact, prior to her being hospitalised, I was concerned for her safety myself, as she had copied me with some threatening e-mails that she had received.
I have suggested to Clare that she immediately desist from writing about those subjects that are likely to provoke further threats, and she has agreed to this.
I have spoken with her at length tonight and she seems to be coping very well considering the circumstances. I would be pleased to travel to Whangarei to meet with her doctors, should that be required.
I urge anyone who is currently in a position of responsibility for Clare’s safety and wellbeing, to treat her with the respect and dignity she deserves.
Sincerely yours,
Jonathan Eisen.
As soon as I returned from home, I handed a copy of this to Dr Zubaran and had one placed on my file for my nurses to read. To my enormous relief, as the day progressed, I could see from the nurses’ reactions towards me, that this letter was having the desired affect and I felt certain it wouldn’t be long before I was discharged.
Also that morning, I had a fruitful discussion with Heather Blackburn, the occupational therapist about my Catch-22 situation with Dr Zubaran. She said she’d seen the angry look on my face when I walked out of the meeting room after talking to him, so I explained that he wouldn’t listen to me and that being stuck in hospital and not being listened to was torturous. Consequently, she offered to organize a meeting with the Consumer Rights Advocate, Brian Vickers, which I gratefully accepted.
In the morning of the following day, Friday the 16th, Dr Zubaran said he wanted to talk to me. I advised him about the meeting planned with the Consumer Rights Advocate – he said he knew about it. He suggested that we talk outside, so we stood on the pavement of Hospital Road, and exchanged words a few meters from the hospital. Evidently, he still hadn’t done any research related to 9/11 and reiterated that I was “delusional” because I believed it was an inside job. “This is evidence I’m not delusional,” I said as I handed him an article I had in my pocket for him about what was then the biggest smoking gun of them all – Building 7’s collapse. Not to be outdone, he ignored the clipping’s contents and said I should go on antidepressants. When I yet again replied I wouldn’t, he said he’d inject them intramuscularly. Suspecting he was hoping I would take the opportunity to do a runner before the meeting with the Advocate, and as I was offended by his condescension, I replied, “You don’t treat me like a human being,” and headed back to the hospital cloisters.
We met at the door and it was then, for the first time, that he asked to see the evidence of death threats I had, on this, my eleventh day of compulsory treatment.
At last! I eagerly gathered my bits of evidence together, and sat down at a table in the dining room with him.
Building 7 of the WTC Collapsing on 9/11
Ironically, he said he was in Manhattan on the day of 9/11 and saw the World Trade Center (WTC) buildings fall with his own eyes. Referring to photos in Uncensored of Building 7 plunging, I advised that engineers and physicists had established that the only way the buildings of the WTC could have fallen at a velocity close to the speed of gravity, as they did, would be if explosives had been used, which showed that the official story was a lie. I could see clearly he didn’t want to face this, but couldn’t elucidate if he was reluctant to do so because his need to cling to the official story was greater than his need for truth, or because he was so certain of his intellectual prowess, his mind had closed up like a steel trap.
A nurse who looked annoyed with Dr Zubaran came to the table and said that there was a consensus amongst my nurses that I should be released, and in their opinion, he was holding me back wrongly. He acknowledged that he was indeed holding me back, but tried to justify doing so by stating that during the hearing, the judge had agreed with him. The nurse pointed out that the only reason the judge had agreed with him was because he regarded Dr Zubaran as the person with authority during the hearing. This nurse then got up and left the table and the Consumer Rights Advocate sat with us. We talked about the e-mails I’d received and I pointed out some of the threatening statements, which included, “I like to pull my guns out and shoot at moving targets,” “Decide in your heart of hearts that you are prepared to die to fight for justice if that’s what it takes –then you don’t have to be paranoid anymore,” and “You are right about the assassination part.” I told Dr Zubaran that I surmised that these e-mails had come from the SIS and thankfully, the Advocate advised Dr Zubaran that the SIS did in fact exist. Their head office is in Wellington and they have branches in Auckland and Christchurch, and as I discovered subsequently from a young woman who answered the phone at the Auckland office, there is someone who attends to “media issues.”
Although, Dr Zubaran acknowledged I wasn’t suicidal, he persisted in returning to his view that I should remain in hospital because my belief that 9/11 was an inside job was clear evidence of “a delusional disorder.” Fortunately, however, after approximately 15 minutes of a discussion with the Advocate mediating, to my jubilation and relief, he agreed that I could go home that day, in spite of my political beliefs, on the condition that I saw a psychologist, as well as a community nurse at regular intervals. We shook hands and I gave him DVD copies of Confronting the Evidence, The Oil Factor and 9/11: The Road to Tyranny, and said I hoped once he’d watched them, he would apologize to me. He shook his head and said he didn’t think that that would happen.
For the sake of future patients, I made a complaint to the Clinical Director of Mental Health at Whangarei Hospital and supplied psychiatric staff with new documentaries regarding the rise of fascism and government-sponsored terror, including America: Freedom to Fascism and Terrorstorm. Not surprisingly, Dr Zubaran failed to issue an apology, although he did succeed in writing in a letter he dated September 11, 2006, “Thanks for offering an alternative look to such a puzzling issue.”
My case has highlighted quite a number of issues, but perhaps most significantly, how dangerous it is to give psychiatrists the power to detain people on the basis of minimal and/or questionable evidence, without making their duty to abide by the provisions in the Mental Health Act clear to them. In particular, that people can not be regarded as mentally ill on the grounds of their political beliefs. Psychiatry was abused by the state in Soviet Russia to incarcerate dissenters – this has shown how easily it can happen in New Zealand, whether it is the result of ignorance or an inordinate unwillingness to face the truth.
1. ‘Why Does TVNZ Lie to us About 9/11?’, Uncensored Magazine, Issue 3, p. 25-29.
2. TVNZ vs Swinney, BSA Decision is at: http://www.bsa.govt.nz/decisions/2006/2006-011.htm
3. Vice President Dick Cheney stated: “We’ve never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming.”—WhiteHouse.gov, Interview by Tony Snow, March 29th, 2009. (Also, the FBI has admitted that they had no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11 in 2006).
4. For information on the Mental Health Act, refer the Ministry of Health website at www.moh.govt.nz. Note that on page 33 of this PDF document titled ‘Mental Health (Compulsory Assessment and Treatment) Act 1992′, linked to on the Ministry of Health website, it states: “Are there some things that can never be called a mental disorder?
You cannot be considered to have a mental disorder just because of your:
• political, religious or cultural beliefs;
• sexual preference (for example, being gay or straight);
• criminal behaviour;
• substance abuse (this includes drug or alcohol abuse);
• intellectual disability.”
Related:
As well as DVDs showing the evidence of 9/11, in 2008 I provided Northland Base Hospital with letters from 5 friends, including one from respected scientist, Dr Robert Anderson of Tauranga, who wrote that I had never shown any sign of being delusional and that 9/11 was indeed an inside job. The following was a letter written by an English friend, who has been researching the New World Order for some time:
TO WHOMEVER THIS MAY CONCERN
Dear Sir/Madam,
I have read the testament of Clare Swinney as to her appalling treatment by a Dr Carlos Zubaran during a period of unlawful detention at a mental health facility.
The scare which began this episode, being followed by a man dressed like a member of the security services and email based death threats, is a story I have heard often from people within the anti-war and 9-11 Truth Movement. Sadly whether you choose to believe it or not, the security services in many nations (not just the USA) have a habit of targeting individuals with threats and intimidation and harassment in order to get them to cease their political activities.
Seemingly however, Dr Zubaran thought nothing of this and chose to presume that Clare Swinney was having some form of mental breakdown. He even cited her quite reasonable beliefs regarding the tragic events of 9-11-2001 as evidence that she was suffering from a “mental delusion”.
As you do not reside in a Nazi controlled nation, it is not a proper action by a Doctor , or indeed a judge (Judge Tim Druce in this case) to detain a person under the mental health act for their political belief.
You may or may not be aware that there is a very significant global movement which has seen enough evidence to conclude that 9-11 was not perpetrated solely (or even at all) by 19 Arab hijackers, and that the whole event was staged by persons within the US government and security services, perhaps with aid from Mossad, MI6 and others.
This attack was conducted for the purpose of starting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (we have proof they were both planned prior to 2001) and indeed to enable greater implementation of security laws to allow stricter controls on persons in society.
Yes we do have proof, and the most famous 9-11 film – Loose Change – has been watched at least 100 MILLION times online, with dozens of other such documentaries having been watched many millions more times on Youtube and Google.
There are politicians, scientists, structural engineers and many other relavent persons who state quite clearly that the towers of the WTC were demolished by controlled demolition and did not collapse due to plane impacts or fire (again we have proof).
You may or may not choose to believe such, which is irrelevant, what however should be clear to you is that this is not some wild fantastical fringe movement – a survey taken over a year ago found that over 80% of New Yorkers feel the government is covering up what occurred on 9-11.
I have been lucky to meet Clare online as part of my own research, it is my aim to be an author, and can attest that she is clearly fully competent mentally. Further, she is a person who bases her viewpoints and online discussion contributions on facts that she can prove. Clare Swinney is most certainly a fact driven lady and not one who is prone to wild assertions or accusations.
I find her treatment by the Dr and Judge mentioned above to be a disgrace and am dismayed for your nation if this kind of behaviour by trusted members of society is the norm. She should in my view receive significant compensation as for a doctor to betray his Hippocratic oath in such a way is unforgivable. Further for a judge to make a mockery of his role as legal trustee is sickening and he should be reprimanded in the strongest possible terms.
Yours sincerely,
Biggs
81 responses so far ↓
Matt // 08/05/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Scary to think that it’s actually happening to people.
And are we to paint the 9/11 victims’ families, first responders and survivors with the same brush for wanting an independent investigation into 9/11 with subpoena power?
Ironically it’s the general public who have been conditioned to see dissent, research and investigation as ‘kooky, tin foil hat-like.’ It is not kooky.
Go to http://www.nyccan.org, http://www.911pressfortruth.com & http://www.ae911truth.org to see the faces of the 9/11 truth movement.
They are architects, engineers, military officers, intelligence, firefighters, police, EMT, pilots, professors, physicists, government officials etc etc.
Are all these people crazy?
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
Mike Philbin // 08/05/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Clare,
I’m stunned to find out that this sort of latter-day Witch Burning, actually happens today. Is this, perhaps, what journalists the world over KNOW will happen to them if they ‘dare’ to unmask the Global Elite who’ve been working both sides of the War OF Terror since 9/11 and 7/7?
Lorraine // 08/06/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Clare, I am shocked at what you were put though – that’s awful.
One thing I will say about you is that you have plenty of spunk in handing this Zubaran creep the DVD’s to watch on your departure.
Classic
Julie Smith // 08/08/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Clare, I’m stunned by what you endured at the hands of “our” so called medical professionals.
We are all being fed the “illusion” of a democratic country through the mainstream media. I really admire and respect you for having the balls to continue to lift the veil on the “illusion” after being incarcerated like this.
Kindest Regards
Rant // 08/13/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
If the examining psychiatrist was employed by the military and present at the event on 11th Sept, they were involved, which explains them not being interested in the evidence.
The Australian Prime Minister inspected the Twin Towers the day before, and was “meeting with the British Prime Minister” when the London bombs (which were actually under the buses, not on the buses) went off. It’s clear the highest level of government and their military supervised these operations.
Just recently, we had alleged terrorist arrests here in Australia the week before the new Prime Minister introduced tightened Anti-Terrorism laws. These people have no shame.
Deenie // 08/17/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
I think you are one brave woman. The truth is what these lizard-like people fear more than anything. You must not give in to their fear invoking efforts, not that I think you will. Being true to yourself is the way to go, the only way. I am not as high a level of activist as you, yet. I deeply admire you and wish you the best life possible. We all owe you a debt of gratitude. Peace to you. Namaste.
FckNWO // 08/18/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Hi Clare
I just wanted to let you know that a similar situation with being involuntarily held in psych ward in the United States happened to me. I started researching mercury dental fillings and started finding out how it was poisoning us. I was very upset to find this out and find out how they are also suppressing cancer cures. I had a breakdown to my mom because I couldn’t understand how people could be so cruel and lie to us and let millions of people suffer and die. “My mom thought i was going nuts..she called the cops and they took me to the psych ward. They said I was delusional for believing that dental fillings caused mercury poisoning. They made me stay for about a week in there being drugged. It was awful to know the truth and to know that they are all “delusional” for being ignorant. You are smart girl..and we are the more intelligent people who KNOW what is going on..we need to stick together and support one another. You are brave and are doing a good thing by warning people. If the govt is trying to deceive us and are responsible for 9/11, 7/7 and many more atrocities..what do you think they will do next if we don’t warn and wake up people. It’s just a matter of time they use the real ‘weapons of mass destruction” on us..nukes or whatever else they have planned. These people are evil and need to be put in a “psych ward” for the rest of their lives. They need to be drugged up, fluoridated, injected with mercury and electric shocked etc. It’s payback time!
Clare Swinney // 08/18/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
You are smart and thank-you for sharing what happened to you. I am very sorry that you went through that dreadful experience. Your mother needs a kick up the bum for putting you in jeopardy like that. Mercury is highly neurotoxic, as this clip from the University of Calgary shows: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/538419/how_mercury_produces_brain_damage/
I heard stories about Psych wards and thought they were exaggerated until I ended up in one. It seemed that they were trying to manufacture madness and intent on pushing pills which evidence shows can be dangerous/addictive and function little better than placebos.
‘Making A Killing’ exposes the damage psychiatric drugs do: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKYAmg5giAE
‘Psychiatry: An Industry of Death’ is interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsfH_ap2Wgg
Kevin Barrett // 08/20/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Hello Clare,
At the same time you were being held prisoner by these madmen (mid-2006) I was being told “Most people think you’re a nut” by Sean Hannity, and Bill O’Reilly was opining that I should be murdered by the mob and thrown into Boston Harbor.
If you’d like to join me on the radio some time, let me know. My shows are noon – 1 pm Eastern on Tuesdays and 6-8 pm Eastern on Saturdays. Don’t know what that is in New Zealand, other than probably not so good. Anyway, convey my best wishes for a quick recovery to the lunatics who kidnapped you. And congratulations for your heroism, which compares favorably to that of Winston Smith in 1984.
Kevin
Clare Swinney // 08/20/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Hello Kevin,
No wonder Fox News’ Hannity and Colmes, and O’Reilly were threatened by you – you were talking about teaching conspiracy fact, and encouraging people to think for themselves.
Hannity and Colmes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzIzoD-MhIE
O’Reilly Factor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTQy06azJws&feature=related
I congratulate you on your significant achievements in getting the truth out! Thank-you!
Vince // 08/20/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
I hope you find a good lawyer, Clare, and sue the living daylights out of this ‘doctor’.
Clare Swinney // 08/20/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
That will not happen Vince. As I understand it, mental health workers who incarcerate people for illegitimate reasons are fairly well protected under the law. Section 122 of the NZ Mental Health (Compulsory Assessment and Treatment) Act 1992 is an obstacle to holding professionals accountable, as it states:
“Matters of justification or excuse (1) Every person in charge of a hospital, responsible clinician, duly authorized officer, member of the police, or other person who relies on any notice purportedly given under section 8 or section 11 or section 13 of this Act, or any order purporting to be a compulsory treatment order, shall be protected from criminal responsibility if he or she acts in good faith under the belief that the notice was properly given by a person having authority to give it or the order was properly made by a Court having jurisdiction to make it.”
Thus, they can state: “I was acting in good faith. I believed the original assessment. It is therefore not my fault.”
The Patients’ Rights Advocacy has been working to get this and other Sections of the Mental Health Act amended. Refer: http://prawi.sartorelli.gen.nz/
911 Truth Ends 911 Wars // 08/20/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
My guess is your 911 truth work caught the attention of certain NWO/globalists, and you were thus set-up for this outrageous imprisonment!
In the 2008 movie entitle “The Changeling” based on a true story & directed by Clint Eastwood, a woman who persists in challenging the authorities is committed into a mental asylum to discredit/silence/punish her. (Took place in the 1920s, here in the U.S.A.)
It seems that mental hospitals still cooperate with the other authorities in committing political “troublemakers.” This is a dishonest, filthy business they perpetrate against good people!
Good luck, & please continue to speak out about this!
Clare Swinney // 08/20/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Thank-you. Their comments, body language and the hospital notes indicated what took place was the result of ignorance and a stubborn unwillingness to look at the facts. The mainstream media kept a tight lid on information relating to 9/11 in New Zealand, and as the Fox News clips with Kevin Barrett posted above show, in 2006 people were being brainwashed to erroneously perceive 9/11 truthers as ‘kooky’, which certainly would not have helped.
lomie // 08/21/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
One sentence that glitters like a diamond in its clarity and truth. Where are all the “leftist, alternative media heroes” on this? The zio-”journalists” like Howard Zinn and Naomi Klein (who said the 911 perps “dont matter” and all the other over hyped, highly paid obfuscators and distractors?
Trevor Bacon // 08/20/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
It’s 6am and I’ve just read your account. It must have been terrifying. Not really much to say other than I don’t know how you got through. I have been looking at other stuff just lately and have not been up with all the 911 stuff for a while but came across the following documentary from the Citizen Investigation Team called National Security Alert at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5FhQc-LJ-o&feature=fvw . It’s really rather good and as far as I can see a good piece of investigative journalism. you’ve all probably seen it months ago but I just thought I would flag it up for anyone who has missed it.
Jim Lunsford // 08/21/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Psychiatrists! Yech! I went with a friend of mine once as whe went to this shrink, because whe wanted my opinion of him. My opinion? He was just the lowest form of drug dealer and the only crazy person in the building. She wound up on a cocktail of drugs that were both highly addictive and very dangerous. I think she is off them all the way now, but her health has been ruined (mental and physical). She went from being a normal, drama queen young teen to a complete flake in less than six months. This was just one instance out of many that I have witnessed. The field is nothing more than an opportunity for big pharma to deal drugs at greater volume. It should be dismantled as a charlatan field with no more scientific basis than exorcism.
Peter // 08/21/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Dear Clare,
I too experienced the abuse of the so-called “mental health establishment”. Psychiatry is clearly being used by the elites to suppress dissention. Big Pharma is in on it also. Your alluding to the former Soviet Union, using Psychiatry to suppress dissention, was spot on. It IS political.
Clare Swinney // 08/22/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
In my opinion, it was political primarily in the sense that the psychiatric staff had been brainwashed by the mainstream media to perceive 9/11 truthers as mentally ill.
Here are some examples of the media manipulating peoples’ opinions:
1. Bill Mayer calls 9/11 truthers “nut cases.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3F5duZvjvg
2. “You’re nuts…” says Bill O’Reilly to Jim Fetzer of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, October 2006. Refer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u1Iel-pZfA
3. Fox News’ Hannity and Colmes call Kevin Barrett a “conspiracy nut” for knowing that 9/11 was an inside job. Refer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzIzoD-MhIE
What good fortune for governments that the people do not think.
-Adolf Hitler
How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don’t think.
-Adolf Hitler
“The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media.” -William Colby, former CIA Director, quoted by Dave Mcgowan, Derailing Democracy
Peter // 08/23/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug
I would imagine the psychiatric staff was hierarchical. The psychiatrists atop the nurses. (both, a hierarchical status quo overseeing lesser ranking individuals). This status quo has much to lose and will protect their privileged “hard earned” positions , AT ALL COSTS. This hard earned professional status quo, will,” circle the wagons”/”close ranks”, in order to maintain their privilieged/status quo ranking. Dissention from outside the status quo is a threat and is dealt with punitively.
Peter // 08/24/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug
Your inclusion of a Dave McGowan quote really tweaked me just right. I have recently discovered many of his writings. I’ll include links to both his book, Derailing Democracy, that you’ve cited. http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/intro.htm
Also, a hugely fascinating read about “pop” music. Titled, Inside the LC. (Laurel Canyon), http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/
ed // 08/21/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
I’m not surprised.
And it’s not only in cases where somebody has an unpopular view.
It is a problem that must occur when you have foreign psychiatrists. We have the same problem in Trinidad and Tobago; I witnessed it myself. A doctor here used as his excuse for detaining a woman, that she repeatedly wrote letters to the Prime Minister.
A local doctor might have just laughed it off and say you’re stupid or ‘crazy’ or perhaps misguided but not in need of incarceration or medication.
The doctors are biased towards NOT releasing a potential patient for various reasons – example what if the potential patient committed suicide after being released – that would be embarrassing. So the slightest excuse to detain is unsurprising.
Local psychiatrists who are familiar with the community and culture are essential to preventing this kind of detention.
Somebody should SUE.
Randy // 08/21/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
I have had the same thing happen to me too here in the US – twice. They do it to discredit you and to make you unstable.
You know that your government is a tyranny when it gives immunity to its tools of force such as police and mental health workers. Equal justice under the law is one of the tenants of the basic tenants of democracy.
The doctor was most likely a Jew. 911 and the wars that followed on Israel’s behalf were for Israel. Iraqi oil now flows from from Iraq to Hafia Israe after Saddam had shut down the Rothschild pipeline decades ago. By the third day of the invasion, that pipeline was reactivated again and is evidenced by infra-red weather satellite photos since oil is hot when it comes from the ground.
The war in Afghanistan is also for a pipeline they want to build from the area north of the Dead Sea to India where US oil companies and the Israelis built a multi billion dollar electrical generation plant.
The Taliban stated that if they wanted to build the pipeline across Afghanistan, they would have to pay a fee on all oil shipped. SO we invaded them and are now killing them for defending their national interests. Fascist are as fascist do.
Don’t ask a corrupt state to give you your rights. You will never have what you are not willing to fight and die for. Tyranny knows no other lessen.
I am surprised people don’t simply boycott the criminals that have taken control of western governments through sexual blackmail and bribery.
I personally won’t vote for anybody that is a Jew or supports Israel in any way. Read the Talmud. When Talmud Jews stop running a race based organized crime syndicate under the guise of religion, I’ll change my views.
hANOVER fIST // 08/21/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
The same was done to Grace Stephens, the wife of wasted weasel Charles Stephens, who purported to identify James Earl Ray as the assassin of MLK.
Clare – my best to you – and don’t give up in regards to making that scumbag who pretends at being a “healer” pay for the abuse and torture he heaped upon you.
medicis // 08/21/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Dear Clare, I’m very sorry that you experienced such oppression at the hands of a mental health hack. Unfortunately, you are not the only one. Now, equally unfortunately, the U.S. Homeland Gestapo is labelling 9/11 truth folks as terrorists. A strategy designed to inflict equal horror upon all who understand the truth about the government and its owners.
As an aside, when I figured out 9/11 back in 2003 and began writing about it, (albeit not in a print publication but on the web). I was in a much more fortunate position than you and it was highly unlikely I would suffer the same fate. As a forensic neuropsychologist I had more than sufficient insulation from anything a psychiatrist might wish to do.
Dr. Richard Welser, member, Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice.
ROBERT ZEKOSAURUS // 08/21/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Clare I commend you for your bravery. Someone has to speak out. I’m sure to see your name again in the future and indeed look forward to it.
For any one interested in networking with other Kiwi 911 activists, check out: http://911truthaotearoa.myfreeforum.org/
Introduce yourself and find out who’s active in your area. Most of the activity centres around Wellington. I’m in Christchurch myself along with a couple of other people and we’re always looking for fresh faces. The more the merrier.
Clare I copied the link to the Prisonplanet.com article to the forum, so you’ll be getting a little more exposure and I think some people will already know who you are.
Rogue Witness // 08/21/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
TOO LATE!!! The days for “calling on people to wake up” are over. Even if they do now — today — there are no actions remaining that could ever be taken to put an end to this dictatorship. They have the upper hand and will use ALL of the billions of dollars worth of helicopters, aircraft, guns and bombs the people supplied them with AGAINST us.
If Obama is a true dictator, he will seize upon this opportunity to whack the heads off of anyone who believes in what this nation once stood for. Forced drugging in a psychiatric ward is akin to chemical lobotomy. It has been said that people get the government they deserve. Guess the majority in this nation are now getting their due reward for paying so much attention to video games, texting on their cell phones and being so enthralled in sports while their government has been building up the genocidal machine it now wields.
escapefromobamastan // 08/21/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Hell, 60% or more of the U.S. population would in a psych ward for that.
dithers // 08/21/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
New Zealand is a nasty little fascist state, based around a weird copy of the UK in the 1930’s.
This story isnt at all surprising, although Clare Swinney’s naivete certainly is.
The medical industry is a vital part of the slavery and control system we call democracy.
Where have you people been living? Mars?
TruthMama // 08/21/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Thank you Clare for your strength, courage and tenacity. I am so sorry you had to endure this experience on your own without the support of other NZ “Truthers”. As Robert says there are a number of us now and growing every day.
I am appalled at the treatment of many of these so-called health professionals in positions of power and the judge in your case. I worry for NZ’s democracy and our civil liberties. When you see how this small group of protesters was treated recently in Wellington – see link http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0908/S00192.htm – you can see how bad things are getting here.
You have shown well and truley when it comes to 9/11 truth that the “pen is mightier than the sword” May God bless you and keep you in you his care.
I am also Clare // 08/21/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Clare
Good on you.
I don’t know much about the law, but I am sure there are 9/11 truthers who do in NZ.
It seems to me you have quite a case, should you choose to accept it.
Good Luck and Thanks
Guy Dunphy // 08/21/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
My sympathies!
I too have experienced something like this a few years ago, though not so severe. I was seeing a counsellor regarding depression, primarily related to fairly extreme marriage difficulties, plus recent deaths of friends and family. I also mentioned my frustrations with the state of the world, relating some of what I’d found during my 911 researches. The lady counsellor had nodded sympathetically throughout, and I thought nothing more of it. I’d also given her a long list of alternative news URLs, if she wanted to look any of it up for herself.
Some time later, I gave her contact information to a Dept of Social Security officer, regarding some background involving the marriage troubles. It turned out that when contacted by Social Security, the counsellor had described me as ‘delusional’ to them. Which didn’t help my standing with them at all.
Quite annoying. At no point in the sessions had she ever expressed doubt about anything I’d said. I’d have been happy to provide extensive evidence in support of anything I’d told her (both marriage and political related), but with limited time, and no indication of a need, I’d skipped much detail, and mostly just given overviews.
Not much to be done about it – I can see how a counsellor in a professional situation would pass over differences of perception, rather than engage in discussion on them until some mutual understanding was reached. OTOH, I personally consider it a complete waste of time to discuss anything, where the other person won’t even communicate their skepticism on a point and thus blocks the opportunity to be provided with argument and evidence in its support. The worst of it is a feeling of bitterness – to discover that someone you’d poured out your troubles to, and who you’d thought was being sympathetic, was in fact regarding at least elements of what you’d said as ‘delusional’.
Hopefully, one day the 911 conspirators will be brought to public justice. For those of us who’ve known the truth for years, a bonus will be the look of shock and shame on the faces of the ‘useful idiots’ who supported the official lies throughout.
“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is condemnation without investigation.”
– William Paley (1743-1805).
bobby // 08/21/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
unfortunately over the years as i have ‘revealed’ certain ‘truths’ to friends and family,I have been painted as delusional.In fact I still am.
I worked for social work services for about sixteen years, 8 of which were in mental health services and still ,friends and family considered anything I said to be delusional. it’s just fear of the unknown, but they would have signed my life away if a ‘doctor’ had suggested it…..it’s just fear
michael mazur // 08/21/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Clare, the two mental health people who came for you said that they were responding to a complaint from a member of your family,
which only complicates things if true, because i’m thinking it to be a ruse if not true, to put a person off side with their family, to dispirit them over the immediate period to come before the person can equilibrate enough to overcome the induced sadness which would present as depression, and so validate the grounds for detention – being potential risk of self harm.
The other advantage of having a family member inform on the targetted person is that the person then, whether before or after release, cannot go up the chain of command to determine the initiating authority, whether it be a named individual in SIS, or a cabinet minister.
If no one in one’s family was responsible for informing, then what would be the impediments for finding out who the initiator was ?
barry // 08/21/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Hi Clare, I read your story and am really sorry that this happened to you. Seems like the big shock though is that this sort of thing can happen in Godzone.
We like to think that we’re immune from what happens ‘over there’, but it clearly ain’t so. The insidious bastards just keep on keeping on and over the years I see that the governing types got with the program, (globalisation?). Further down the ‘chain of command’ most are ‘just doing their job’. So I was relieved to hear your account of the people who spoke out on your behalf. Bless them all.
I often meet with WWII veterans and am increasingly hearing ‘we fought against fascism, and now it’s everywhere’. The wisdom of old men eh!
Our individual struggles will continue as this beast will only succumb when it devours itself and historically it always has. Until then, the outcomes of our choices will sometimes be very very frightening. Sadly, I accept we have no option but to run this gauntlet, I do it for my children and because it is the right thing to do. They’re learning by osmosis so there’s really no choice. Hat off to you, take care,
Respect,
Barry
ps Project Gladio wasn’t only Europe.
Paul Smiler // 08/21/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
So sorry to hear what happened to you, it must have been awful! It is funny though, that they considered you to be delusional when quite obviously, it was they who were suffering from a severe case of madness themselves! Perhaps they should be in therapy themselves. I mean who is more crazy? Those that question what they find hard to believe or those that don’t question and trust everything that they are told? Sheep.
But don’t worry, don’t threat – we will overcome.
Love and light to all that read this.
Garrick // 08/21/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Some people believe reality is based on whatever an external authority tells them to accept. Other people believe knowledge about reality is based on empirical evidence and logical thought that one can verify. Which of these types is more likely to be deceived and believe in delusions?
Bard // 08/22/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
You would expect better than this type of Ignorance from a doctor.
WTC7 and the nanothermite proves it was an inside job. We already have all the pieces to know who did it – I’m convinced Cheney was the head authority in the US, who used Israeli assets (ACE elevator) to plant the demolitions through Jack Abramoff (Mossad Fixer) and therefore bypass the whisteblower protections for any US government employee who discovered or was part of what was going on.
Cheney supervised the ‘air defense’ drills personally on 9/11 – he tried to ensure that the planes would make it – Except one national guard fighter – locally scrambled – shot down flight 93 (as attested to by multiple witnesses who are now saying nothing more than they are not allowed to talk about it). This was the plane destined for WTC7 that didn’t make it – the black box recorder data proved it was returning to new york – though the zionist owned media ensured there was no mention of this in the mainstream news.
In a panic they reported WTC7 collapsed before it had (oops rupert murdoch) , then they ‘pulled it’ (should use secure comms Mr Silverstein) to prevent discovery of the preplanted explosives.
What was in WTC7? “WTC 7 also held the offices of numerous government agencies, including the Department of Defense, the CIA, the Secret Service, the IRS, and the Security and Exchange Commission. Late 2001 was the time of “the height of the investigation into Enron, so the majority of Enron’s SEC filings were likely destroyed when World Trade Center 7 came down.”
9/11 was an inside job. If you don’t believe it you simply haven’t looked at the evidence.
John Morton // 08/22/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Well done for beating the rap Clare. Keep fighting the good fight, we will WIN in the end.
But, how long before these insane Psychologist creeps start locking people up for believing in Jesus Christ?
That’s what they did in the USSR, and now it is coming to the EUSSR.
Johnny de Vulcan // 08/22/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
It is about time we get another point of wiev on these peoble who have managed to delude society into believing they are a kind of in-fallible , mysterious beings; there are at least 7 major “schools of psycology” , each disagreeing with all the others on vital points. Have you EVER heard of ANYBODY being cured by one of them? There might be some terapeutic value in having somebody to talk to, but that does not necessarily have to be someone who charges you thousand $s an hour, anybody would do. These “medicine-men” are themselves not too sane;they have an UN-NATURAL obsession with other peobles minds- and they are psychopatic enough to believe that they have a right denied the patient, to decide to enter various, often poisonus, substances into other peobles bodies, just to see what happens; cause THEY DONT KNOW . Boycott the idea that ANYBODY can know your mind better than yourself – and that YOUR mind can be studied in a book on the delusional art of psychologi.They are a fraud , just like the rest of the established , mediocre bandits and psycho-socio.paths , temporarily in power.
Rob // 08/22/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Clare I really sympathize with you. I’ve been a Truther for 6 years now, since I was handed a copy of Loose Change while a student at University. The Truth Movement to expose the Global Elite is growing by the day. The anti-vaccination movement lead by Jane Burgermeister and co. is also helping to bring the crimes of the Elite out into the mainstream.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=731845014&ref=profile
theflucase.com/
Valerie Metin // 08/22/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Claire Dr Carlos Augusto Zubaran needs your review @ doctorcheckup.org
Namaste
Clare Swinney // 08/22/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Shortly after it was published in New Zealand in Uncensored Magazine in 2007, I provided Julie Young, the District Inspector of Mental Health in Northland, with a copy, as I was pursing an apology from the hospital. Dr Zubaran was still working in Northland then, thus, I am sure he will have seen it already. Thank-you.
Clare Swinney // 08/25/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Thank-you everyone for sharing your thoughts – it helps to add to the big picture.
Anna de Jonge, a NZ Patients Rights Advocate, did her bit and e-mailed these quotes today:
THE TRUTH ABOUT PSYCHIATRY FROM OUT OF THEIR OWN MOUTHS
“We can choose to use our growing knowledge to enslave people in ways never dreamed of before, depersonalize them, controlling them by means so carefully selected that they will perhaps never be aware of their loss of personhood.”
Carl R. Rogers, former president of the American Psychological Association
“Through strong, painful impressions we capture the patient’s attention, accustom him to unconditional obedience, and indelibly imprint in his heart the feeling of necessity. The will of his superior must be such a firm, immutable law for him that he will no more resist it than he would rebel against the elements.”
Johan Christian Reil (who first coined the word psychiatry) 1810.
“We must aim to make [psychiatry] permeate every educational activity in our national life… We have made a useful attack upon a number of professions. The two easiest of them naturally are the teaching profession and the church; the two most difficult are law and medicine.”
John Rawlings Rees, a British psychiatrist and co-founder of the World Federation for Mental Health, when defining psychiatry’s goals 1940
The family is one of the major obstacles to improved mental health, and hence should be weakened, if possible, so as to free individuals and especially children from the coercion of family life.”
One of the entrenched “policies” of psychiatry from the International Congress on Mental Health, London 1948
John Morton // 08/25/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Anyone who is into “social networking” should read the following, which blows the lid on the entire thing:
http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2007/2007_40-49/2007_40-49/2007-49/pdf/27-37_747-48.pdf
Johnny de Vulcan // 08/26/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Besides being pathologically “interested” in other peobles minds, those jokers allso are working for corporate USofA finding the best ways to SUBLIMINALLY control the population ,politics and purchasings. They have used extreme violence, physical as well as chemical aginst other humans , just to have THEIR will being accepted as a statement about the reality of the world -and of man. They are small,disgusting ignorant besties.
Duncan O'Neill // 08/26/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Two things strike me here;
The first is the courage you show; One, in the face of madmen with an agenda who’re determined to keep you locked up, and two, in re-telling your story, and so leaving yourself open to the possibility of further persecution.
The second is that the issue of the truth of 911 isn’t really relevant here. What is relevant is the part of the Act which says a person can’t be considered insane on the basis of their political beliefs. None of the health ‘professionals’ in charge here seemed to know that. The only other valid reason for holding you is if you were suicidal, which you clearly weren’t.
As for depression, hell, I’d be depressed too after days of being held, and forced to take strong medication against my will.
Bravo!
Rick // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Ms. Swinney, Although your experience was horrible for you, it may have served the good purpose of exposing how far the really delusional folks will go to support their crumbling paradigm.One hopes we have something better in mind?
tiny hope // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
911 was an INSIDE JOB and the global elites are afraid of the masses if they can ever find out! Sorry to hear about your situation, but keep fighting and keep informing as many as u can. We all need to enlighten our fellow prisoners so we can escape this panopticon. Thanks for staying true to the truth and we will prevail.
Jeremy // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
If the FBI doesn’t think Osama did it, why should we. They never sought a grand jury indictment, standard procedure in such cases. 9/11 is not on his wanted poster. They admit they never pursued the case due to lack of evidence.
America became one big lynch mob.
Cat Callahan // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Mental illness is a ruse in many dictatorial states to remove anyone whose thinking is dangerous to what they wish to do! People were called ‘crazy’ for saying Saddam Hussein was no problem-now we KNOW he had no weapons of mass destruction! Unlike Shakespeare who said “kill all the lawyers,” methinks it should be “shoot the psychiatrists!”
JOE // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
WHY DID YOU NOT FILE A LAW SUIT?
Hereward // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
It’s a sad fact that the most narrow-minded and arrogant people in the world are medical doctors and psychiatrists. I’ve had quite a few mind-boggling experiences with doctors; many, if not most of them, will literally disregard the evidence of their own senses if it contradicts what they’ve been trained to believe. After reading this, I’m thankful that I’ve managed to avoid dealing with the psychiatric profession through my life.
Valerie Metin // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Non- violent noncompliance .Changing the way people think by providing them with information to make informed decisions.
If nobody believes in the benefits of ineffective brain damaging drugs( or the control freak psychiatrists that dispense them), they are then rendered a powerless oppression tool.
Knowledge is power.
Patrick Sullivan // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
The only way a person can be forcefully committed to undergo a psychiatric evaluation is after a Grand jury has heard the allegations against the accused.
The only party that can determine whether or not a person is sane or insane is a jury. A judge, psychiatrist or other mental health worker, preacher or teacher, none of them have the ability or the legal standing to determine sanity; that can only be done by a jury of ones own Peers.
This is all part of the common law.
If you go ahead with a legal action against those who carried off and imprisoned you against your will, make certain to Demand a Jury trial.
Clare Swinney // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
The Patients’ Rights Advocacy in New Zealand has been working to get Sections of the Mental Health Act amended, one being Section 122 of the Mental Health (Compulsory Assessment and Treatment) Act 1992, which reads, “
Matters of justification or excuse (1) Every person in charge of a hospital, responsible clinician, duly authorized officer, member of the police, or other person who relies on any notice purportedly given under section 8 or section 11 or section 13 of this Act, or any order purporting to be a compulsory treatment order, shall be protected from criminal responsibility if he or she acts in good faith under the belief that the notice was properly given by a person having authority to give it or the order was properly made by a Court having jurisdiction to make it.”
Thus, the “mental health experts” can say: “I was acting in good faith as I believed the original assessment – it’s thus not my fault.”
Refer: http://prawi.sartorelli.gen.nz/ for further information.
michael mazur // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Patrick Sullivan, the part that perked my interest in your comment was when you said,
“The only way a person can be forcefully committed to undergo a psychiatric evaluation is after a Grand jury has heard the allegations against the accused.
A judge, psychiatrist or other mental health worker, preacher or teacher, none of them have the ability or the legal standing to determine sanity; that can only be done by a jury of ones own Peers”.
That is as truly beautiful as it is alert, for it leads me to conclude that Psychiatry as a discipline was devised to be, in reality, a tool of the state to chemically subdue those who understood its true nature – and were liberal with tongue about it – the ultimate indispensable representative and protector of those who create credit out of the fiction that depositor’s funds are necessary for the issuance of that credit.
jack hudson // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
i have had simlar treatment by speaking out about the aerosol or chemtrail programe being conducted over New Zealand, my conclussion tell persons who you feel are ready to hear.
Daljit Singh // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
It hurts me to know, how a “free country” like yours treated you like that. It pains me to know that the physicians in psychiatry department over there allow themselves to be “used”.
strum // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
You are delusional, the US gov didn’t do 9/11 Israel did. wake up, stop being distracted by the lies about Cheney and Bush being behind all this stuff, it’s Israel BTW were any of the doctors involved in your abuse Jewish?
I would not be surprised
Issac Hanan // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
One of the most conspicuous , suspicious and dubious phenomenon was that not a single official person in the whole of the US government or Bush Adminisration was officially reprehended and blamed of negligance or lack of efficiency. An attack of that magnitude must have chopped off heads of the highest positions in the Bush Adminisration, the Pentagon, the CIA, the FBI and other Governmental Establishments.
27 years ago…We remember the breach of the skys of the Soviet Unoion by the small monoplane piolated by a 19 years old German youth to land infront of the Kremlin. That incident brought the biggest heads in the Army, the KBG and the Communist Party rolling down into oblivion….
That monoplane incident is nothing compared to the graetest Breach in the history of an Emperial Power such as the USA, at 9/11.2001. But we saw not a single small head rolling down nowhere …!!?? I expected Bush’s head to roll down first..
How do you explain that..!!! ???
Archie1954 // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
It’s hard to believe that a small and nondescript country like New Zealand situated out of harms way should take such a fascist position with respect to its own people and what they do or do not believe. What in the world is the New Zealand government afraid of? Are they really worried that terrorists are going to bomb Aukland? Why would they do that? what possible political motive would they have to try such a risky action? None, is the right answer. Therefore I think someone should investigate the activities of the New Zealand Security Service as I think they have acted irregularly and illegally in this case.
j // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
well , i think yer a frikin idiot, she knew damn well why they were there and she wants to make a politcal standoff with a guy/establishment that can lock you up and drug the crap out of you,,, smack forhead, YOU ARE AN IDIOT, in cases like that you shut the f up, smile and say everything is great and life couldnt be better, after they let you GO, then scream all you want OUTSIDE THE GATES lol hey i got a bridge in brooklyn for sale intersted?
brain // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
i would still consult a lawyer. the doc may have acted in good faith, but based on something you mentioned in the article, sounds like he violated a code nonetheless – that one can not be held for political beliefs. his ignorance of the law should not exonerate his actions. also, you may be able to take a different angle, such as slander.
Clare Swinney // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
I have consulted two lawyers, on the advice of the Patients Rights Advocacy, and was advised that it is not worth pursuing. I was advised to write about it.
Barron // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Hi Claire
Good to see your story on Rense!
Cheers
Barron
Steve // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Wow. I am probably the one who had most to do with Bigg’s conversion, if I remember correctly. No offence and no intention to steal any limelight if so, but it is GREAT to see such a great person, making a statement so strong and effective on behalf of this truth.
I myself am horrified by Clare’s story, and distressingly familiar. I have had contact with our mental health establishment, thankfully under slightly more controlled circumstances, but only just. I found the descriptions of the idiocy and sheer insanity of the doctors compared with the relatively large percentage of nursing staff who could see through the bullshit, to be familiar. The massive prescription of drugs, particularly those which dull and muddle the senses. The complete indifference to the human condition, such that the most insane people in these places, are the doctors. Most of all, the reaction to the truth of 9/11.
It is transparently obvious that people who defend the official story of 9/11, do so out of a case of deep and clinical delusion. This manifests itself most obviously, in the complete inability of the subject to even consider the information which has led someone to doubt the official story.
Cognitive dissonance is not a new phenomenon and it has always been very commonly found in everyday life. From relationships with spouses, children and employers to facing up to unpalatable facts about our nation’s reasons for going to war, a supreme crime in itself. However it has become an almost international pandemic in its own right, regarding the events of 9/11.
Good luck Clare. The only thing I would have done different is to have fought the enforced medication more, and they might just have opened a bad can of worms in my case, given my own very extreme feelings at this time and my skill base and the fact I no longer have anything of significance to lose.
I think this story must make it clear that sooner or later, the only solution is going to be direct, physical confrontation. The system must be torn down, and any who stand in its way, or defend it, must be destroyed along with it.
jeremiah // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Indeed Clare you made your point, and all and most of the mail supporting you deserve my praise.- But in order to succeed, to find out the Truth is not enough, a new , truly democratic force must be gathered by those with with common believes of counterbalance the “globazionisation”. A clear danger, is the masonic subservitude to put gentiles in a silver plate at the feet of Israel rulers. You should keep in mind that In NZ the road to Office is through a masonic oath of secrecy and obedience, as it is in most of Israel sympathetic countries.- Once your case was ruled and decided by a Judge, check on him because, either he is a mason or was compelled by the Intelligence DPT, naturally run by masons, to decide on your freedom even against the law.-
Ha // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
If those new zealand psycho demons tried that shit in the US, they would get very fast lead in their mouth!!
Amy // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
I am so, so sorry to hear of your ordeal. Sadly it’s not the first case i’ve heard, and i’ve also had similar treatment from the MH services in NZ, although nothing nearly as blatant as that. I learnt quickly to keep my mouth shut unless I was talking to certain people (I was in a position where this was much much easier than it would’ve been for you- I was still in High School), however this tends to create a situation just as dire as talking about it freely. I have constantly struggled with MHS here since I left the adolescent/youth services- for other issues I was going through at the time. I am also labelled delusional… why? Because I have hopes for a better future for us all, because I believe that the world we live in isn’t necessary and that things can change for the better. Ugh.
Liza // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Hi Clare
Your experience is shocking and deeply disturbing. So much for ‘human rights’ eh?
We are already in 1984 – and anyone who questions the official version of events is a thought criminal. I’m 26 years old, living in the UK, and have been researching 9/11, 7/7, and all the other lies that the government have led us to believe. When I mentioned that I had seen enough evidence to support 9/11 and 7/7 being inside jobs, my parents went nuts;-
They told me I was ‘dangerous’, ‘mentally ill’ , ‘insane’, ‘idiotic’, ‘depressed’, and ‘obsessed’ and ‘brainwashed’. Lovely eh???!
They wouldn’t even let me defend myself or show them the evidence. It’s awful to be labelled all these things by your own family, who are meant to love you no matter what. I am starting to feel that I would be better off not having any contact whatsoever with them, but I know they will always blame me for ‘losing the plot’ and ‘cutting myself off’ from them.
In a world full of insanity the sane man appears insane.
The truth will prevail.
Clare Swinney // 08/28/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Sorry that you have been treated so dreadfully for expressing your views. Their apparent unwillingness to look at the evidence brings to mind this article:
Scientists Confirm the Effectiveness of The Big Lie – People Will Go To Extraordinary Lengths to Create False Justifications for Government Misdeeds
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2009/08/scientists-confirm-effectiveness-of-big.html
Science has now helped to explain why the big lie is effective.
Specifically, sociologists from four major research institutions investigated why so many Americans believed that Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11, years after it became obvious that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
The researchers found, as described in an article in the journal Sociological Inquiry (and re-printed by Newsweek):
* Many Americans felt an urgent need to seek justification for a war already in progress
* Rather than search rationally for information that either confirms or disconfirms a particular belief, people actually seek out information that confirms what they already believe.
Steve // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
@ Strum…you’re only half right. Mostly you’re a reactionary, racist idiot.
Sure MOSSAD was deeply involved in 9/11, although this may have been little more than an observational role, as confirmed by the MOSSAD operatives who were caught filming the WTC collapses, with pre-positioned video equipment, on 9/11. There has been a massive amount of information which has arisen since 9/11 which shows clearly that al-CIA-duh, is exactly that, and there is everything including Sibel Edmonds’ evidence which shows Osama Bin laden was a CIA asset at least until the day before 9/11.
Even though the USA is nothing but a gigantic cock warmer on the end of the Zionist dick, it remains a massive military/terrorist force and that is independent of its Israeli masters.
9/11 was NOT merely or ONLY an Israeli crime against the USA, nothing new as it happens, the attack on the USS Liberty by the Israelis was for example not even considered risky by Israel who was certain of the loyalty of such faggots as McNamara and Johnson at the time.
9/11 was the supreme example of success for a foreign entity which has infiltrated a nation to the extent of dictating its foreign policy on behalf of ones own nation.
It was mostly controlled by US/CIA entities but these are in themselves controlled by the Zionists.
Johnny de Vulcan // 08/27/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
There are several delusions in humans life; the forgetfullness of the end of life and the forgetfullness of where we are; in a Universe with billions of Galaxies, trillions of stars and quadrilillions of planets. Hubble makes it possible to see that any part of the Universe is absolutely chock-full of heavenly bodies. That triggers a vein of humor because one remembers that a certain group of beings on this dust-speck, floating around a Sun in one of the billions of Galaxies actually , seriously state that they are chosen to “Conquer” the Universe!!!They might try to control their minds before that is possible. The universe radiates purpose, intelligense,good-will and co-operation, the “reptile-brain”-mind-set developed by the reptoid attackers through schools, media – and through ages,is an one-eyed view, illusory and temporary- too much out of sync with the Uni-verse, as its agenda is death to all humans. UFOs are just vehicles; what is important is who is in them, what kind of civilisation is behind them. I think we may soon have an answer, be it good or bad.Among alle these trillions of planets there may be many other than the reptoids-some even they don´t know about; the , the Universe is a busy place, they cannot know ALL that happens – and the Galactic war that has meant destruction of Mars, Venus and some on Earth, genetic manipulations of human DNA with much shortened life-span and lower IQ as a result,( but NOT annihilation, we have survived it! ) may allso offend other humanoid civilisations from whom we have been temporarily( millenias) cut off from contact with . We do not sufficiently appreciate the FACT that there is a sky above us – and that is the shores of the mightiest Ocean imaginable; the Universe with the Galaxy- Islands.We are made of exactly the stuff Stars are made of, so we need to remember that we are more than “consumers” and “voters”!:
Steve // 08/28/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Yo Johnny, I too think there will soon be an answer, that everyone can agree on. Isn’t that the defining characteristic after all? However I am quite certain that the Lizards are only peripeheral.
bryan // 08/28/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
I would have thanked the doctor for helping me get a book and movie deal and said it was very brave of him to put his whole career up to such ridicule from all the gun toting Americans not suffering from the delusion that our government didn’t pull of 9-11 just so some crooks could make trillions of dollars from our going to war with the rest of the world
NB // 08/28/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Clare, the “good faith” protection you cited as a reason for the unavailability of compensation is not necessarily a bar to your receiving it, based on the facts you have set forth above. You say Abass and Zubaran refused to listen to you or examine the evidence. You say they violated the law which prohibits political beliefs as a basis for diagnosis of a mental illness and compulsory treatment. This is aggravated by the failure to alter conduct even after this portion of the law was brought to their attention. You say Zubaran stated it was unlikely he would change his mind or apologize even after reviewing the dvd evidence. All of that is evidence that your incarceration was not engineered in good faith. Had they not been in acting in bad faith, they could not have nor would have concluded there was a basis for holding you. I think it’s very important you proceed with a case for compensation asserting bad faith. You have a colorable case. Regardless of the outcome, the publicity alone could achieve a deterrent effect and bring to the public attention the necessity for instituting additional safeguards and amending the law. The New Zealand public would be well-served to have the risk under which they live brought to their attention. It would be good to turn these lemons into lemonade by using your torment for the public benefit.
Clare Swinney // 08/28/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
Thanks for the suggestions, but I have been up that legal road and do not wish to invest any more time on it. I doubt the mainstream media would give such a case attention. It seems disturbingly apparent that they would assiduously avoid such a story. For example, a man who compiled a news item for TV3s Nightline for the Sept 11th, 2007 show, which revealed evidence that indicated 9/11 was an inside job, was told if he ever did anything like that again, he would lose his job. This was the news item: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6ST2anwCKE
TV1, the other major news station, keeps a tight lid on the truth also.
MASS MEDIA = MASS DECEPTION!
NB // 08/28/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
I wish to add that the act cited above says nothing about proceeding against the hospital itself, which is responsible for its employees’ and agents’ conduct under the common law legal doctrine of respondeat superior. Although individuals may assert protection under the act, there is no institutional protection. Moreover, even as to individuals, when you are crying because the doctors refuse to listen to you and observed departing from psychiatric sessions early because of the attitude and refusal to listen displayed towards you, a jury could conclude that the hospital and its staff were on notice that the doctors’ actions were not being taken or maintained in good faith. I note that even after making these observations, the hospital and staff failed to take a formal complaint and institute an independent investigation, but operated under practices which unjustifiably presumed a diminished credibility on your part, based on the doctors’ malicious political accusations. Moreover and most importantly, anyone reading the “order” would see on the surface of the order in plain sight the fact that it was based on your political beliefs and all involved are charged with knowledge of the law against mental health findings and actions based on political beliefs. So I would argue that anyone who read the order could not in good faith reasonably rely upon it since it was on its face unlawful and they knew or should have known it was unlawful. I would suggest you consult several civil rights attorneys for independent opinions before jumping to the conclusion that any legal action is futile. I find it ironic that you would rely on the opinion of what is apparently a government employee — the mental health advocate– in deciding not to pursue a government hospital and government employees. There is a conflict of interest there, isn’t there? The act does not provide absolute immunity. I would venture to say that had any number of government advocates like the judge joined Zubaran to inform you that you were in fact mentally ill, you would not have succumbed so easily to their self-serving point of view and would have sought aid in one direction or another, as you did, until you triumphed, as you did. The same applies to the pursuit of justice in the form of a legal action. No victory is ever handed over on a silver plate. It is hard fought and hard won, so after a rest, I encourage you to stand up and fight on.
NB // 08/28/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
“I have consulted two lawyers, on the advice of the Patients Rights Advocacy”
Clare, did the PRA refer you to them? Are they associates of the PRA? Two is not nearly enough. I have been involved in legal actions and in one case, I had to interview about 75 law firms before I received two offers of representation. Not all attorneys are created equal. Attorneys are often lazy and ignorant, and like the easy cases and easy money. Here is my best and favorite tip on selecting and retaining legal counsel; those who have followed it have invariably found it to be true. If the attorney to whom you are speaking immediately starts to spout legal advice after hearing a basic version or less of your story, i.e. jumps to conclusions, walk away. If the attorney listens carefully without interrupting you or jumping to conclusions and then tells you he needs to do some legal research before giving you his opinion, that is the keeper. I wouldn’t be surprised if the attorneys who told you that you didn’t have a case did zero research on how the courts have interpreted the law you cite before telling you that. Often advice like that is just a code for your case is insufficiently lucrative for me to be bothered, or it’s too risky. Often an attorney who wants to make a name for himself will take a case which requires greater effort for the potential intangible rewards from, e.g. establishing a new interpretation of the law. Since your case involves a question of law as to the interpretation of the Mental Health Act, I would look for civil rights attorneys with significant appellate experience or an experienced appellate attorney in their firm since appeals attorneys are generally the ones with sufficient intellect to make a cogent legal argument on the interpretation of the law and defend it in the event of an appeal. I also have some experience, albeit not in NZ, with the so-called “patient’s rights advocate”. These are not advocates, but persons hired to give the appearance of advocacy. It is not that they never do anything useful to the patient, but that their ultimate purpose and function is self-protection, to defuse and deflect complaints, and gather and create evidence favorable to themselves for use in any subsequent litigation. Under the guise of advocacy, they collect information and create official records, a sort of pre-litigation discovery. You can rest assured that now that you have sp0ken openly to them about your case, they have created their own official record in it with their version of what you said, and don’t be surprised if it isn’t consistent with what you said. Only they have a government record to corroborate their version of events as evidence to use in court, and you don’t. Even if you have a daily diary kept contemporaneously , it is not given the same evidentiary weight as an official record, and most people do not keep such a record. Interestingly, many politicians do, because they realize its importance to their own self-protection.
Clare Swinney // 08/28/2009 at 3:12 +00:00Aug |
The Patients Rights Advocacy (Waikato) in New Zealand is there for the patients and provides a useful, free service. Anna De Jonge, their spokesperson, gave me a lot of helpful advice and support, so much so that I’m sure I would not have got an apology from the hospital had it not been for her suggestions and encouragement.