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Quick Study: Lobbying's Long Arm

lobbying, lobbyist, CongressThe First Amendment guarantees a right "to petition the government for a redress of grievances." From the country's earliest days, Americans have exercised this right, whether a citizen writes a letter about a bill or a business owner hires an agent to present his or her views.

Almost from the beginning, too, lobbying -- because it often took place over a sumptuous dinner or in a well-appointed bar -- raised suspicions that the petitioner had somehow gained an unfair advantage with the lawmaker.

As government has increased in size and scope, lobbying has grown accordingly. Corporations, unions, and interest groups of every stripe send their own lobbyists to Washington and state capitals, or they hire lobbying firms to advocate for their positions.

Big Spenders

A decade of lobbying dollars, by industry, 1998 to 2008:

1. Pharmaceuticals/Health Products - $1.5 billion
2. Insurance - $1.1 billion
3. Electric Utilities - $1 billion
4. Computers/Internet - $820 million
5. Business Associations - $745 million
6. Education - $727 million (excludes money from teachers' unions)
7. Real Estate - $696 million
8. Oil and Gas - $687 million
9. Hospitals/Nursing Homes - $649 million
10. Miscellaneous Manufacturing and Distributing - $613 million



Dr. Mercola Dr. Mercola's Comments:
Political lobbying is one of the primary reasons why the drug companies are controlling nearly the entire the health industry.

Lobbyists, by definition, “conduct activities aimed at influencing public officials and especially members of a legislative body on legislation.” Does this practice really fall under the “free speech” guaranteed by the First Amendment?

Well, the Reader’s Digest article attempts to cast a positive spin on the practice of lobbying, calling lobbyists “educators.” The article states:

“Lawmakers and government agencies contemplate such complex matters-one day it's environmental policy, the next it's the fine points of technology-that a briefing from experts is essential to making an informed judgment.”

When the “expert” is also being paid by the very industry it represents, you lose a large amount of objectivity and open the doors to conflicts of interest to run rampant. This is not a matter of an individual citizen, petitioning public officials for a change based on unbiased information.

This is Big Business doing what it does best: using its power and money to strong-arm the legislative process, and it’s all done completely within the boundaries of the law.

An Example From the Auto Industry

The auto industry didn’t make this top 10 list of lobbyists, but that doesn’t mean they were silent. The auto industry spent close to $50 million lobbying Congress in the first nine months of 2008. Where, exactly, did the money go?

According to CBS News, Sen. Carl Levin received $438,304 from the automotive industry, while House Rep. Joe Knollenberg received $879,327. Rep. John Dingell received nearly a million from the industry (Dingell’s wife even once worked as a lobbyist for GM!).

That’s quite a “briefing from the experts,” no? And not surprisingly, all of these people mentioned also supported the bailout.

So while lobbying is, in theory, a great protection of rights and freedom of speech, nowadays, and likely since it first began, there is much more than information being shared between lobbyists and Congress. There’s also massive amounts of money.

Congress’ Biggest Lobbyist? The Pharmaceutical Industry

The pharmaceutical industry spent $1.5 billion lobbying Congress in the last decade, and in so doing has manipulated the government’s involvement with medicine and secondarily reinforced our dependence on them, through government policies.

As you can see in this chart from The Center for Public Integrity, pharmaceutical spending has risen sharply in recent years, which indicates that their “investments” have been paying off.

pharmaceutical lobbying

Although the dollars the pharmaceutical companies spent on lobbying are astronomical by most people's standards, they pale in comparison to the profits this industry generates -- even though the drug companies spend more on lobbying than any other industry.

What did they get for their efforts? Among their top achievements, according to lobbying disclosure reports filed with Congress and accessed by The Center for Public Integrity, were:

• Blocking the importation of inexpensive drugs from other countries
• Protecting pharmaceutical patents both within the United States and abroad
• Ensuring greater market access for pharmaceutical companies in international free trade agreements

They also succeeded in ensuring the Prescription Drug User Fee Act was extended. This is the Act that allows the FDA to collect money (called “user fees”) from the drug companies so that they can get more drugs approved and brought more quickly to the market. Again, this means more money for the drug companies and less thorough drug safety reviews for you.

A Note on the Bright Side

Very few people understand that the drug companies and other big industries essentially control the U.S. Congress by their massive lobbying forces. Their relatively minor investments allow them to manipulate votes on key legislation that is highly favorable to their bottom line and almost always in conflict with your best interests.

The good news is that you are among those who are informed about what is really going on, and you can share this knowledge with those in your circle. I remain confident that by spreading truthful, unbiased information over the Internet and beyond, we can make a difference and replace the existing, broken conventional health care paradigm, addicted to drug-based "cures," with one that emphasizes prevention and self-empowerment.

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dp2001
[ Joined on 11/06 ] [ Posted on December 29, 2008 ]
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Personally, I believe proffesional lobbying should be banned.   Only citizens should be allowed to lobby the government.  One person, one voice.   Please tell me if the constitution specifically allows paid lobbyists.
This country although not perfect has it's hopes and dreams and strengths based on equal rights and equal opportunity.
The process definetely favors the rich.  
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All Under Heaven
[ Joined on 02/08 ]  [ Posted on December 29, 2008]
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  Mercola
I agree. It should be stopped. The government belongs to the people, not industry. A person under the constitution has the right to free speech, but an industry is not a person is it?



Big corporations just made up something called their "right" to
"commercial speech". And not only is it just "commercial speech", but
they're manipulating laws passed, created, enforced to serve and protect them. I see it as a more..insidious form of tyranny and terrorization. And corruption rots away everything else from inside out.

The constitution was made before the age of industrialization. I'm sure those who wrote it wouldn't agree with all this anyway.
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Mehli
[ Joined on 01/09 ]  [ Posted on January 15, 2009]
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  Mercola

Banning of lobbying is perhaps not the right way, because it suppresses as well the educational aspect. Maybe it would be enough to require legislators who accepted a payment to declare a conflict of interest in any related vote.

Mercola
  
Reverend Alan
[ Joined on 12/07 ]  [ Posted on January 15, 2009]
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  Mercola

Before you ban lobbying you might want to consider what would take its place. It isn't like you ban something and everyone starts to behave better, when you ban something people immediately look for new ways to get around it and then the very thing you wanted to fix becomes worse.

It is one thing for a Congresman to listen to a lobbyist explain some important detail to him in his office and quite another for him to accept a trip to Hawaii in December [with his wife and kids] to listen to a one hour presentation each morning for 7 days.

Mercola
  
The Learner
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  Mercola

Here, here to dp2001 comments "Only citizens should be allowed to lobby the government.  One person, one voice." Obviously our founding Fathers did not want the few controlling the masses, that's one of the reasons why we have the Constitution.  They gave us "We The People" a voice and the ability to do something about - hence the Constitution.  

Why was it taken out of the school curriculum?  The Constitution gives us the power to have a voice - a say in how government is run from the top down.  It also states that the government is their for our protection, not only for their protection. Yes, we Need and Must maintain a governing body (our government), but it must be one By The People For The People also. Perhaps this year 2009 will be a turning point year with our new President.  

  
  
Leo
[ Joined on 11/08 ] [ Posted on December 29, 2008 ]
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Not only lobbying is a CLASSIC CONFLICT OF INTEREST as it conveys the will of fewer over the greater. 

In the private sector companies are changing
policies to prevent lobbying to affect
business decisions.  Inter-relations are less personal, more ethical and fair to all bidders.  You also pay your own dinner, entertainment and expenses.  Why should government, in special, be excused to have the highest of standards?  Lobbying should be outlawed, pure and simple.

Like the election vote, only individuals should have the that right to express grievances. Lobbying is another instance where the governments of this great country "interpret" the will of the founding fathers to their convenience.  WHAT A SHAME!  This, the constitution that inspired so many independent countries throughout the world has been so violated for the last 80 years... and so has our freedoms.
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Islander
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Everybody's bought & paid for. When I worked for the amusement park industry, we paid off a legislator every year when a particular issue came before Congress. Closer to  home, the state lobbyist for Monsanto lives a mile down the road from me. At last year's hearing before thePesticide Board, he didn't even have to open his mouth. I'm sure the envelopes were under their chairs.
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stoic
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  Mercola
< Everybody's bought & paid for....

do you mean here those generally recognized as part of the political apparatus only? or do you include also the great many more whose bread is buttered via taxation, subsidy, grants of monopoly, etc...?

bravo, if you mean the latter...it is a huge "special interest" stew with lots of ingredients, to be sure...but not quite "everybody" is in it, yet...tho the pot enlarges by the day...the old motto was "it takes a village"...the new one should be, "It takes a larger pot", lol.....
  
  
Trinity Wellness
[ Joined on 12/08 ] [ Posted on December 31, 2008 ]
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What some seem to be missing is that the issue isn't whether companies should be prevented from lobbying but rather that corporations are legally treated as if they ARE people. Essentially, since 1868, corporation are granted the same rights as individuals, including the right to advocate for that which is in their best interest.  

This created the environment which allowed JD Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie and JP Morgan to dominate the late 19th century and early 20th century economic and political landscape.

 To the extent that most corporate entities operate in a fundamentally amoral way, and some are downright evil, the bankrupt situation we are in now is the direct result of this corporate welfare state. Check out zeitgeist.com to learn more
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stoic
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  Mercola
the point is, "if you build it, they will come"...emphasizing WHO comes is symptom level thinking. The mechanism will be used, by whoever mangaes to gain control of it; the solution should be as obvious as it is out of reach (tho there are steps that people could take...).

btw, in the case of rockefeller...the man & his operations were so efficient, so competitive that the also-rans went begging to gov for protection (regulation & "anti-trust" legislation) - to hamstring him; they succeeded. Big biz is not free market, does not like competition & uses gov to create regulatory thickets that work to their advantage...it is not & never was a case of the regulators becoming corrupted - they have always been the creation of inferior, tho politically connected (willing to shower $ on pols) biz interests.....
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stoic
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  Mercola
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul499.html

enron & lobbying..in context....
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Sean Uisce
[ Joined on 11/06 ]  [ Posted on January 15, 2009]
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  Mercola

Trinity Wellness - good point there about the status of person being given to corporations... but they are not actually treated like other legal persons. Like you and I for instance.

If it were shown that my actions caused physical harm to another, then it is possible that my assets can be seized and I be put in jail (removed from functioning in society).

If however a coorporation's actions (e.g. a product) caused physical harm to a another legal person (including another company who is also a legal person!), their assests DO NOT get seized, they ARE NOT put in jail but instead can simply carry functioning as before in society.

In other words they not only can get away with an initial injurious action, but can carry on repeating that injurious action indefinitely to increasing numbers of people. All it takes is them paying enough money to be allowed do so (i.e. the claims initiated by person(s) they have harmed - or their next of kin).

The obvious example of this double-standard are pharmaceutical companies (should we rename them 'harmaceutical' perhaps?!).

Because practically every single product they've ever invented causes bodily harm. And not just to one person, but rather to hundreds if not thousands who consume them (the unfortunate subset of the overall user popluation who just happen to be unable to cope with the toxic onslaught these products represent).

Now if they had been given jail terms (i.e. prohibited from functioning in society) for each incidence of their causing actual or grevious bodily harm - just like you or I might be - well we simply wouldn't have a harmaceutical industry today. They'd be permanently 'in jail'!

It would be a wonderful world if corporations, as well as being allowed the RIGHTS of a person under law, were also made comply with the corresponding LEGAL DUTIES excercising those rights requires of other legal persons like you or I. Even more wonderful if they were similarly punished for every failure to perform those duties.

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Dave-O
[ Joined on 01/09 ]  [ Posted on January 15, 2009]
       
   
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  Mercola

Actually, they should read Zinn, Gatto, and Iserby as well.

Seek, Knock and ASK.  Blind faith is purely in someone else's favor.

  
  
stoic
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how does lobbying for advantage - at somebody else's expense - shelter under the umbrella of petitioning gov for redress of grievances?

"When I use a word", Humpty Dumpty said in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
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dp2001
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  Mercola
Stoic, please elaborate.
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finallyfree
[ Joined on 12/08 ]  [ Posted on December 30, 2008]
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  Mercola
you said it! ! 
we must take back control!! 
wake up people! 


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stoic
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  Mercola
dp2001...think "contracts". contracts can be renegotiated, assuming all parties are amenable (otherwise, the original terms stand). but the concept of a "living contract" is oxymoronic - it may as well be called what it would be: "no contract".

the constitution / the bill of rights - if it had been authorized to begin with (it wasn't) - would have constituted a contract, & although it contained a renegotiaion feature, it was no "living contract" - & least, it was not sold as such....

the breaches of "contract" began almost as soon as the ink had dried on the parchment. but it is worse, at a more fundamental level: how can any contract, especially a "contract", as in the case of the constitution, be binding on anyone but the original signatories? How does it bind posterity, in perpetuity?

the federalists, lawyerly scum all, prevailed...words mean whatever they decide they mean...& when words aren't sufficient to turn the trick, they have no problems resorting to overt force, war. "lobbying" - or force, war - equals petitioning gov for redress....

see here for an overview of constitutional degradation
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo105.html

see here for issues of contract, legitimacy (& by all means, delve into Spooner's writings)
http://www.lewrockwell.com/mcelroy/mcelroy107.html
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stoic
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  Mercola
dp2001, more:


"As if this were not enough, Hamilton did not scruple to interpret the words of the Constitution against their plain sense. Congress was granted the power to pass laws "necessary and proper" for its enumerated powers. To Hamilton, "necessary" meant "convenient"; what was the small matter of the dictionary to stand in the way of the public interest?"

http://mises.org/misesreview_detail.aspx?control=346

oh, but would that it were, for every hamilton, a burr....

  
  
curious7
[ Joined on 03/07 ] [ Posted on January 15, 2009 ]
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These are the top ten reasons nothing of significance comes out of Wahsington.  Too many so called representatives listen to these "greed mongers," and as in the recent cry, by the citizens not to bail out the banks went unheard.  The same reasons drugs are the dominate factor in health care, and an educational system that is about to go over a cliff.  Our energy policy is in the toilet, and we have trade deals that only benefit the other guy.  At the same time a death of one's own choosing when terminal, is out of our hands as well.  What a mess.

Banking is the main reason we now live under a "FASCIST" regime, and not a Democracy as we have been taught.  Thank you President Wilson, and all who followed as President, and did nothing to rectify this problem.  With our present economic problems, about to take us under, the intelligent can look back on the Wilson stupidness as a reason why.

Commonsense says if the guy who works the assembly line at Ford cannot afford to have lobbyist on Capital Hill 24/7, then BIG PHARMA should not be allowed this advantage.  But each election season we continue to reelect those of the same mind set, and the voices of the masses go unheard.  The bottom line is that it is our own fault, we are complacent, we leave too much up to others, we do not think we need to be personally involved, thereby giving power to others to Lord over us.  That is correct "we" gave them the power.  Since they ( our elected officials ) have no connection to Hollyweird, music, or sports, we are unconcerned.  They are not Lindsay Lohan, Will Smith, or Dereck Jetter, so why pay attention?

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GRAYWOLF
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Focusing on lobbying and calling for more unconstitutional legislation to curb it is a waste of energy in the wrong direction. Lobbyists are a symptom, not the problem!

Lobbyists exist because they buy what the politicians are selling. If the politicians were required to obey their oath of office to "defend the Constitution against enemies, foreign and domestic" they would not have anything to sell to the lobbyists. If the lobbyists couldn't buy the favors, they would just go away....

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curious7
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  Mercola

GRAYWOLF:

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curious7
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  Mercola

GRAYWOLF:

How right you are, though no one from our Mayors, to our Presidents have paid too much attention to "defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, both foreign, and domestic."  It has become a motion if you please, and not a dedication, or a true oath.  This is why if we need to get rid of the Lobbyist, and have strict term limits, and no career politicians we as a nation just might live for another day.  But alas, this boat will never float.  Those monkeys in the Congress, and the Senate will never, so to speak, cut their own throats.

  
  
Hospitals & Asylums
[ Joined on 11/08 ] [ Posted on January 15, 2009 ]
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Lobbying has definitely gone out of style. Assasinating lobbyists was a mainstay of the campaign. Thus having erradicated the human rights advocates the big donor, industry and lawyer lobbyists, protected behind thick steel doors with security codes and bribed guards, now run amok. Congress reached new lows in popularity, 8%, and started pouring money into bailouts. Here we need a little clarification because the bank is not just any corporation. A banking bailout or nationalization seems to indicate a totalitarian regime whereas industry subsidies a fascist regime. What does this mean? For you and me, don't file a lobbying activity disclosure this year, or maybe ever. In a fascist state you might be able to save 5 cents for every dollar of your bill but it will come out of your health, in a totalitarian state the government fails literacy so badly that for every step forward you take in your lobbying disclosure the state takes two steps back, being careful to completely squash the author, with each step.

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Dave-O
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Only 6k views and a few comments on real history, not some 'historical' inaccuracies taught in today's schools.  We need 60 million views and they need to have an understanding of just what is happening here in this country.  The 'news' is censored, and created for mass consumption and is filled with propaganda.  If you really want to know about the health industry and its devious plans, just check this out:

www.genomex.com/.../SterilizationVaccine.ppt

www.lifesitenews.com/.../04031101.html

www.lifesitenews.com/.../08081407.html

www.whale.to/.../sterile.html

Our gov and agencies involved in sterilization through vaccination... just like Children Of Men, the film, in a case.  I mention this only because our real health care industry has been hijacked for abusive practices of control, instead of curing individuals.  Imagine if the above $$$ was spent on healing people, not profit and control.  It is not only scary, but sickening.  We divide our family and give control to the state.  Reduce the work force.. only one parent go to work.  I know, some will say, but we can't support ourselves..  Yes, you can.  We, through manipulation created an excess of workers that compete for limited jobs and reduced pay.  Raising children IS the key for survival and buying them junk because you cannot spend time with them is insane.  I learned quite a bit in college, but not many truths.  Profit as the key to corporate success puts ethics, quality and social responsibility down on the list; I believe our gov should punish, through tariffs and taxation those 'american' corps that have their production through slave labor overseas, to the extent that producing here becomes no more expensive.

Something must change.

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natey
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Anyone can see by the figures cited here that pharma is a major player and that they pretty much have their way or they'll be supporting other candidates who will comply with their interests. The next itme your doctor pushes a med on you, think about the ball game tickets, free gourmet lunches for all the employees, gifts for the families, etc. that are likely influencing the prescription you about to swallow.

as long as politicians are allowed to accept campaign funds and as long as there are no term limits, corruption will characterize out gov't. Most don't realize that their votes/influence are nullified by financial behemoths who virtually own the very political officials they voted into office. Most are not aware of the power of the revolving door syndrome that is the collusion among fed agencies, lobbyists and corporations, thereby usurping the interest of the people in favor of the interests of those with financial influence. In effect, corporations have replaced the American people as constiuents of the politicians they put into office. American gov't by and for the people has morphed into gov't by and for corporations whose interests are often contrary to those of the people.

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orchwife
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Excellent article.  When I left nursing in 1991 to be at home, the doctor I worked for called our very aggressive drug reps - drug pimps - and tried hard to avoid them.

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carrieon
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Prior to 1868, non of these lobbyist existed, much less the institutions they represent, nor were they ever needed. Ever since the first immigrant stepped foot in this country until that time, there was rarely any sickness that ever needed prescription drugs and people lived pleasant healthy lives all the way up to 80-90 years. There was no need for insurance or nursing homes, because families and small communities took care of their elderly. There were no business associations because most people were either farmers or small business owners in small towns. Prosperity at the time was measured by land ownership and/or personal possesion of gold and silver. Needless to say, life was great, so most folks had huge families and spent much of their free time centered around their local churches.

Unfortunately, the European aristocrats and bankers didn't like this because they saw it as a threat to their control of America. So, in their devious minds, they created a way to divide America into two smaller and weaker nations where individuals could once again be controlled by the elite. The plan worked and by 1868, a central bank was created that once again monitored all currency in America. The corporation was created and was first used to replace the individual status with the controlling status of "U.S. Citizen". Lincoln knew this and fought it all they way, which is why he had to go so the corporate plan could prosper. The aristocrats and bankers succeded, albeit some resistance on the way, but nonetheless set the ground work for the corporate life much of us are volunterily enslaved with today. The good news is, the prosperity enjoyed by our ancestors prior to 1868 is still available today with just a little bit of education or inititive on anyone's part, even if it's only one individual at a time. That's a decision anyone can make.

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westerncoloradogirl
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I'd recommend to everyone that the watch Aaron Russo's documentary, "America: Freedom to Fascism." It isn't about lobbying, but it will open your eyes to how corrupt our elected leaders, almost all of them, are. Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul would be two of the exceptions. They are true representatives if there ever was such a thing. http://freedomtofascism.org/

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Heather Marsh
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sounds like bribery to me!

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Julieanne
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  Mercola

I have always called lobbying 'legal bribery'.

  
  
nurprof
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Kerry

We have a corrupt healthcare and pharmaceutical system as evidenced in this article on lobbying. We also have a corrupt financial system based a on federal reserve that is not federal but private banking system. Our money comes out of thin air called debt. The last election showed abiased news media that reports the bad and liberal points of view. A vote for your candidate does not necessarilly count as one vote per person.

I WANT TO DO SOMETHING, BUT WHAT? iDEAS ARE NEEDED!

How can I change the systems that have gone awry?

I have worked in the healthcare system as a nurse for 37 years, have many nurses and doctors in the family, and a daughter working as a pharmaceutical rep. who were not able to make changes in the healthcare system.  

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curious7
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Kerry:

This is inpart what is wrong with our current system, too many of us have this bias against what is termed "Liberal."  When one looks at the lawlessness of our Congress, it is not just Liberals, but Consevatives as well, who have caused this train to jump the tracks.  In actuality both sides are as bad as the other.  Until we begin to see this we are always going to find ourselves disappointed after each election.  Maybe you call yourself a Conservative, but the truth be told we need to listen to what these people have to say, and look at their backgrounds, before giving a thumbs up, or down.  Tags mean nothing, it is the person.  

Had those who voted for George Bush really looked at his background he never would have become President, and the same with his father.  His grandfather also never would naver have become a Senator.  We are not safe with just looking at one's party affiliation, ultimately we need to look, and look very hard at the individual.

Ever wonder why John McCain's children never appeared on the campaign trail?  I mean the children he fathered with his first wife.  It was the man not the party.  

  
  
Debrah
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Just yesterday I read an article in our paper about Tom Daschle's really scary plan for "health" care--he plans to implement a Federal board that would decide which therapies would be allowed to be covered under insurance! He even admits that this would further alter the already weakened Dr/patient relationship. This is not the answer to our health crisis-this is furthering the problem created by insurance companies and managed care! Especially when the Big Pharm will no doubt have control over this board. I know I am preaching to the choir with this forum--however I did go on to Change.org and submitted my thoughts on this. i beleive this is the last day they are taking comments and/or voting. So make sure you go on there and do the same! And write to your congresspeople and newspapers etc. Even citizens who don't care one bit for natiral health care should be outraged by this as this board could decide which medications their Dr could prescribe even if another one is working for them.

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rfontanes
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Q:Whats the opposite of a Lobbyist?

A: Us

The talk here is sometimes like preaching to the quire. Take your thought to the top man, now!

citizensbriefingbook.change.gov

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squeegee
[ Joined on 08/06 ] [ Posted on January 15, 2009 ]
       
   
 
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Lobbying is not the problem.  If lobbying was outlawed, big industries would still be able to influence politicians but the practice would go 'underground' and become invisible.

The problem is that Washington has too much money and power to begin with. Take that away, and there will be no incentive to spend millions on lobbying.

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Dave-O
[ Joined on 01/09 ]  [ Posted on January 15, 2009]
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True... DC is no place for our elected officials--not that I believe they represent us any longer, but DC is too far away; full of bribes; full of secrecy; and full of $%$%$%$^&.

Congresspeople should stay local and be held accountable 90% of the time, travel via coach class, be paid as a public servant (50K annually) and have to have the same insurance providers as you and I are forced to have.  

Like others have said, one term only.  If your policies are strong, then they will continue with the next person, if not, then they should go.

We have to the power to freakin fire our officials, but is that taught in schools?  No, what is taught is that your president is your leader and he does his best.  Insane in the membranes--thanks to all the drugged food, TV propaganda, etc.

I have been without cable/sat/TV since June of last year... I do have 2 children, so that is no excuse.  Try reading together, or speaking together, or playing games.  Read Gatto, Zinn, and others that actually bring facts back into history while providing references for those that need many sources--like myself.  

Once the bubble of illusion is broken and you are on the outside looking in, there is no denying how religion, politics, economics, schooling and health care play a role in suppression, not freedom.

I mention religion because my God doesn't make cookie cutter anything, but much a form of worship that all must obey or they be damned...

  
  
karol_203
[ Joined on 06/06 ] [ Posted on January 15, 2009 ]
       
   
 
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Don't forget that many foreign countries have lobbyists in Washington pushing for their agendas.

Just take a look how israel has taken over our goverment, no other country in the world receives the free foreign aid that israel receives, the bombs and fighter planes that are killing many of the arabs in the middleeast are manufactured in the USA......Also look at who Obama has appointed to the many jobs in Washington, they are jewish, and many of them have dual citizenship.

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Mehli
[ Joined on 01/09 ]  [ Posted on January 15, 2009]
       
   
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Maybe Israel has a strong lobby; however, it wouldn't be necessary, probably. Just have a look WHO manages the capital flow in the major capital centers. East coast: Mostly jews, west coast: mostly the descendants of the pioneers. You find the new industries mostly in the west, the old ones in the east. So far, American policies were made mostly in the east, say southeast against northeast ... Nothing against a strong Israel related policies and the protection the Americans give to the development of democracy in Neareast. I do believe, that this is very necessary to keep the world in balance. But I wouldn't blame that on lobbying.

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natey
[ Joined on 12/07 ]  [ Posted on January 15, 2009]
       
   
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America's ridiculous,overboard support of Israel is not a product of the will of the people, but rather AIPAC's control of congress and the Jewish controlled media. O'Bama is obvoiusly deep in the pockets of AIPAC evidenced by his overwhelimg support of anything Israel during his pre-election speech to their Lobby. Then Hilliary chimed in to the same tune. These over the top speeches told Israel that they can do whatever they want and they will have America behind them, hence their latest attacks on the Gaza. Who cares what the American people think about where their money and resources are going, especially when they're naive enough to put them into office regardless of this costly and unjust favoritism.


 
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