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Government Concedes Vaccine-Autism Case in Federal Court - Now What?

Posted February 25, 2008 | 12:42 PM (EST)



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After years of insisting there is no evidence to link vaccines with the onset of autism spectrum disorder (ASD), the US government has quietly conceded a vaccine-autism case in the Court of Federal Claims.

The unprecedented concession was filed on November 9, and sealed to protect the plaintiff's identify. It was obtained through individuals unrelated to the case.

The claim, one of 4,900 autism cases currently pending in Federal "Vaccine Court," was conceded by US Assistant Attorney General Peter Keisler and other Justice Department officials, on behalf of the Department of Health and Human Services, the "defendant" in all Vaccine Court cases.

The child's claim against the government -- that mercury-containing vaccines were the cause of her autism -- was supposed to be one of three "test cases" for the thimerosal-autism theory currently under consideration by a three-member panel of Special Masters, the presiding justices in Federal Claims Court.

Keisler wrote that medical personnel at the HHS Division of Vaccine Injury Compensation (DVIC) had reviewed the case and "concluded that compensation is appropriate."

The doctors conceded that the child was healthy and developing normally until her 18-month well-baby visit, when she received vaccinations against nine different diseases all at once (two contained thimerosal).

Days later, the girl began spiraling downward into a cascade of illnesses and setbacks that, within months, presented as symptoms of autism, including: No response to verbal direction; loss of language skills; no eye contact; loss of "relatedness;" insomnia; incessant screaming; arching; and "watching the florescent lights repeatedly during examination."

Seven months after vaccination, the patient was diagnosed by Dr. Andrew Zimmerman, a leading neurologist at the Kennedy Krieger Children's Hospital Neurology Clinic, with "regressive encephalopathy (brain disease) with features consistent with autistic spectrum disorder, following normal development." The girl also met the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders (DSM-IV) official criteria for autism.

In its written concession, the government said the child had a pre-existing mitochondrial disorder that was "aggravated" by her shots, and which ultimately resulted in an ASD diagnosis.

"The vaccinations received on July 19, 2000, significantly aggravated an underlying mitochondrial disorder," the concession says, "which predisposed her to deficits in cellular energy metabolism, and manifested as a regressive encephalopathy with features of ASD."

This statement is good news for the girl and her family, who will now be compensated for the lifetime of care she will require. But its implications for the larger vaccine-autism debate, and for public health policy in general, are not as certain.

In fact, the government's concession seems to raise more questions than it answers.

1) Is there a connection between vaccines, mitochondrial disorders and a diagnosis of autism, at least in some cases?

Mitochondria, you may recall from biology class, are the little powerhouses within cells that convert food into electrical energy, partly through a complex process called "oxidative phosphorylation." If this process is impaired, mitochondrial disorder will ensue.

The child in this case had several markers for Mt disease, which was confirmed by muscle biopsy. Mt disease is often marked by lethargy, poor muscle tone, poor food digestion and bowel problems, something found in many children diagnosed with autism.

But mitochondrial disorders are rare in the general population, affecting some 2-per-10,000 people (or just 0.2%). So with 4,900 cases filed in Vaccine Court, this case should be the one and only, extremely rare instance of Mt disease in all the autism proceedings.

But it is not.

Mitochondrial disorders are now thought to be the most common disease associated with ASD. Some journal articles and other analyses have estimated that 10% to 20% of all autism cases may involve mitochondrial disorders, which would make them one thousand times more common among people with ASD than the general population.

Another article, published in the Journal of Child Neurology and co-authored by Dr. Zimmerman, showed that 38% of Kennedy Krieger Institute autism patients studied had one marker for impaired oxidative phosphorylation, and 47% had a second marker.

The authors -- who reported on a case-study of the same autism claim conceded in Vaccine Court -- noted that "children who have (mitochondrial-related) dysfunctional cellular energy metabolism might be more prone to undergo autistic regression between 18 and 30 months of age if they also have infections or immunizations at the same time."

An interesting aspect of Mt disease in autism is that, with ASD, the mitochondrial disease seems to be milder than in "classic" cases of Mt disorder. In fact, classic Mt disease is almost always inherited, either passed down by the mother through mitochondrial DNA, or by both parents through nuclear DNA.

In autism-related Mt disease, however, the disorder is not typically found in other family members, and instead appears to be largely of the sporadic variety, which may now account for 75% of all mitochondrial disorders.

Meanwhile, an informal survey of seven families of children with cases currently pending in Vaccine Court revealed that all seven showed markers for mitochondrial dysfunction, dating back to their earliest medical tests. The facts in all seven claims mirror the case just conceded by the government: Normal development followed by vaccination, immediate illness, and rapid decline culminating in an autism diagnosis.

2) With 4,900 cases pending, and more coming, will the government concede those with underlying Mt disease -- and if it not, will the Court award compensation?

The Court will soon begin processing the 4900 cases pending before it. What if 10% to 20% of them can demonstrate the same Mt disease and same set of facts as those in the conceded case? Would the government be obliged to concede 500, or even 1,000 cases? What impact would that have on public opinion? And is there enough money currently in the vaccine injury fund to cover so many settlements?

When asked for a comment last week about the court settlement, a spokesman for HHS furnished the following written statement:


"DVIC has reviewed the scientific information concerning the allegation that vaccines cause autism and has found no credible evidence to support the claim. Accordingly, in every case under the Vaccine Act, DVIC has maintained the position that vaccines do not cause autism, and has never concluded in any case that autism was caused by vaccination."

3) If the government is claiming that vaccines did not "cause" autism, but instead aggravated a condition to "manifest" as autism, isn't that a very fine distinction?

For most affected families, such linguistic gymnastics is not so important. And even if a vaccine injury "manifested" as autism in only one case, isn't that still a significant development worthy of informing the public?

On the other hand, perhaps what the government is claiming is that vaccination resulted in the symptoms of autism, but not in an actual, factually correct diagnosis of autism itself.

4) If the government is claiming that this child does NOT have autism, then how many other children might also have something else that merely "mimics" autism?

Is it possible that 10%-20% of the cases that we now label as "autism," are not autism at all, but rather some previously undefined "look-alike" syndrome that merely presents as "features" of autism?

This question gets to the heart of what autism actually is. The disorder is defined solely as a collection of features, nothing more. If you have the features (and the diagnosis), you have the disorder. The underlying biology is the great unknown.

But let's say the government does determine that these kids don't have actual "autism" (something I speculated on HuffPost a year ago). Then shouldn't the Feds go back and test all people with ASD for impaired oxidative phosphorylation, perhaps reclassifying many of them?

If so, will we then see "autism" cases drop by tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people? Will there be a corresponding ascension of a newly described disorder, perhaps something like "Vaccine Aggravated Mitochondrial Disease with Features of ASD?"

And if this child was technically "misdiagnosed" with DSM-IV autism by Dr Zimmerman, how does he feel about HHS doctors issuing a second opinion re-diagnosis of his patient, whom they presumably had neither met nor examined? (Zimmerman declined an interview).

And along those lines, aren't Bush administration officials somewhat wary of making long-distance, retroactive diagnoses from Washington, given that the Terry Schiavo incident has not yet faded from national memory?

5) Was this child's Mt disease caused by a genetic mutation, as the government implies, and wouldn't that have manifested as "ASD features" anyway?

In the concession, the government notes that the patient had a "single nucleotide change" in the mitochondrial DNA gene T2387C, implying that this was the underlying cause of her manifested "features" of autism.

While it's true that some inherited forms of Mt disease can manifest as developmental delays, (and even ASD in the form of Rhett Syndrome) these forms are linked to identified genetic mutations, of which T2387C is not involved. In fact little, if anything, is known about the function of this particular gene.

What's more, there is no evidence that this girl, prior to vaccination, suffered from any kind of "disorder" at all- genetic, mitochondrial or otherwise. Some forms of Mt disease are so mild that the person is unaware of being affected. This perfectly developing girl may have had Mt disorder at the time of vaccination, but nobody detected, or even suspected it.

And, there is no evidence to suggest that this girl would have regressed into symptoms consistent with a DSM-IV autism diagnosis without her vaccinations. If there was such evidence, then why on earth would these extremely well-funded government attorneys compensate this alleged injury in Vaccine Court? Why wouldn't they move to dismiss, or at least fight the case at trial?

6) What are the implications for research?

The concession raises at least two critical research questions: What are the causes of Mt dysfunction; and how could vaccines aggravate that dysfunction to the point of "autistic features?"

While some Mt disorders are clearly inherited, the "sporadic" form is thought to account for 75% of all cases, according to the United Mitochondrial Disease Foundation. So what causes sporadic Mt disease? "Medicines or other toxins," says the Cleveland Clinic, a leading authority on the subject.

Use of the AIDS drug AZT, for example, can cause Mt disorders by deleting large segments of mitochondrial DNA. If that is the case, might other exposures to drugs or toxins (i.e., thimerosal, mercury in fish, air pollution, pesticides, live viruses) also cause sporadic Mt disease in certain subsets of children, through similar genotoxic mechanisms?

Among the prime cellular targets of mercury are mitochondria, and thimerosal-induced cell death has been associated with the depolarization of mitochondrial membrane, according to the International Journal of Molecular Medicine among several others. (Coincidently, the first case of Mt disease was diagnosed in 1959, just 15 years after the first autism case was named, and two decades after thimerosal's introduction as a vaccine preservative.)

Regardless of its cause, shouldn't HHS sponsor research into Mt disease and the biological mechanisms by which vaccines could aggravate the disorder? We still do not know what it was, exactly, about this girl's vaccines that aggravated her condition. Was it the thimerosal? The three live viruses? The two attenuated viruses? Other ingredients like aluminum? A combination of the above?

And of course, if vaccine injuries can aggravate Mt disease to the point of manifesting as autism features, then what other underlying disorders or conditions (genetic, autoimmune, allergic, etc.) might also be aggravated to the same extent?

7) What are the implications for medicine and public health?

Should the government develop and approve new treatments for "aggravated mitochondrial disease with ASD features?" Interestingly, many of the treatments currently deployed in Mt disease (i.e., coenzyme Q10, vitamin B-12, lipoic acid, biotin, dietary changes, etc.) are part of the alternative treatment regimen that many parents use on their children with ASD.

And, if a significant minority of autism cases can be linked to Mt disease and vaccines, shouldn't these products one day carry an FDA Black Box warning label, and shouldn't children with Mt disorders be exempt from mandatory immunization?

8) What are the implications for the vaccine-autism debate?

It's too early to tell. But this concession could conceivably make it more difficult for some officials to continue insisting there is "absolutely no link" between vaccines and autism.

It also puts the Federal Government's Vaccine Court defense strategy somewhat into jeopardy. DOJ lawyers and witnesses have argued that autism is genetic, with no evidence to support an environmental component. And, they insist, it's simply impossible to construct a chain of events linking immunizations to the disorder.

Government officials may need to rethink their legal strategy, as well as their public relations campaigns, given their own slightly contradictory concession in this case.

9) What is the bottom line here?

The public, (including world leaders) will demand to know what is going on inside the US Federal health establishment. Yes, as of now, n=1, a solitary vaccine-autism concession. But what if n=10% or 20%? Who will pay to clean up that mess?

The significance of this concession will unfortunately be fought over in the usual, vitriolic way -- and I fully expect to be slammed for even raising these questions. Despite that, the language of this concession cannot be changed, or swept away.

Its key words are "aggravated" and "manifested." Without the aggravation of the vaccines, it is uncertain that the manifestation would have occurred at all.

When a kid with peanut allergy eats a peanut and dies, we don't say "his underlying metabolic condition was significantly aggravated to the extent of manifesting as an anaphylactic shock with features of death."

No, we say the peanut killed the poor boy. Remove the peanut from the equation, and he would still be with us today.

Many people look forward to hearing more from HHS officials about why they are settling this claim. But whatever their explanation, they cannot change the fundamental facts of this extraordinary case:

The United State government is compensating at least one child for vaccine injuries that resulted in a diagnosis of autism.

And that is big news, no matter how you want to say it.

NOTE: Full text of the government's statement is posted here.

David Kirby is the author of "Evidence of Harm - Mercury in Vaccines and the Autism Epidemic, A Medical Controversy" (St. Martins Press 2005.


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Has ANYONE even read my first post here? Does anyone even realize there is more than one thing in vaccines that are known to be related to the genes that cause autism? Free glutamic acid. Please folks, we won't get anywhere if we are each only examining our own navels. Try reading each others posts and opening your minds instead of just trying to push your own point of view. Free glutamic acid makes children have trouble making glutathione. This makes mercury REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT COMES FROM more dangerous. Mercury in a kid's TUNA sandwich becomes more toxic because of free glutamic acid in the VACCINES. If you keep tunnel vision on thimerosol alone, you are missing the elephant in the room.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 02/28/2008

You are absolutely correct, carolh, and I did read your post and I agree with you. People are absorbed on the thimerosol link. It is just a key in the lock. Several factors link together to create this condition, whether it is genetic, environmental, or whatever. THe vaccines contain numerous chemicals that weaken and destroy a child's immune system. The mercury is just icing on the cake, and they combine to create a cocktail that makes these children withdraw into themselves.

What we all need to realize is that this article has a very large point that is important to all of us who have children that were injured through the negligence of the Government.

That point is this: The government has conceded and acknowledged a case where a child was injured by vaccinations. Yes, it is that simple. There is no refuting the facts here...they would not have rewarded the settlement to the family if there were no evidence of a link. Considering the amount of the settlement, it is a pretty big acknowledgement.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 02/28/2008

That's hardly a news flash. The vaccine compensation fund was set up 20 years ago to compensate the rare person who was injured by vaccines.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 02/28/2008

The rare case, huh? Maybe not so rare. Lets just not mention all of those bad Anthrax vaccines. No way our government or our medical industry could make a mistake like that....couldn't happen.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 02/28/2008

Does anyone have links to more information on this November 9th filing? Were vaccines blamed in general, or thimerosal in partiular? I'd like to learn more about this.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 02/26/2008

The petitioners agreed to withdraw the test case after the respondents conceded that vaccines aggravated Hannah's pre-existing condition. It has nothing to do with thimerosal, or MMR, or a combination of the two.
Here is a link to the full text:
http://tinyurl.com/2wlpvo

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 02/27/2008

"The petitioners agreed to withdraw the test case after the respondents conceded that vaccines aggravated Hannah's pre-existing condition."

It doesn't matter that the condition was pre-existing. IT STILL AGGRAVATED IT!!!!

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 02/28/2008

It matters because it is unknown whether Hannah would have suffered the injury without the vaccines. A bout of flu might have triggered the same reaction. We don't know and we can't know. But the standard of proof is set deliberately low in vaccine court.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 02/28/2008

Good point Chapnalli, why did the petitioners' attorneys agree to removing this case? If you want to prove that vaccines cause autism, then why agree to strike a test case with a strong vaccine-autism link?
I think the likely explanation is that the test case does not come close to proving the link. Which means Mr. Kirby's claim is suspect. He needs to release the document he supposedly has, otherwise his claim will remain suspect. How would that help our kids if Kirby's keeps everyone guessing and speculating? There's an easy way to end this right now.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 02/26/2008

The right to "remove" the case is not really up to the attorneys but rather the parents.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 02/27/2008

David Kirby nor his "claim" are suspect. The people complicit in injecting our children with known neurotoxins are.

The document?

http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/02/full-text-autis.html

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 02/26/2008

Please go to the link above and READ THE FACTS:
This child has a mitonchondrial disorder, as diagnosed by one of the foremost experts in the field. Learn & understand mito, and realize this case has NOTHING to do with the views you have regarding autism & vaccines.
I know most here are energized by this case's decision, but there is no connection whatsoever to this child's case and the majority of you here. Furthermore, if you read the case information and educate yourself on mitochondrial disorder, it becomes apparent that solely blaming vaccines, even in this case, is utterly inappropriate. I am dumbfounded by the decision made here. With all that is known about mitochondrial diseases, its symptoms and patterns, it cannot be said whether this child would not have had a regression without the vaccines. Additionally, who is supposed to be held accountable here? This child has a DISEASE that affects every organ in her body, no one knew that when she had her vaccines. Whose fault, exactly, is that?

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 02/26/2008

It amazes me to read the comments posted. For the parents of autistic children who have done their research, it shows. Parents know their children more than anyone else and the countless stories of children being injured upon receiving vaccinations, speaks for itself. For those of you who have neglected to spend any time researching the toxicity of vaccinations alone, let alone any toxic metal additives, may you be blessed to see. Modern medicine has failed in its calling to be for the deception and greed of money has overcome the world at the expense of our children.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 02/26/2008

The question is when did the mitochindrial damage occur ? or what activated it? very possibly vaccines!

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 02/26/2008

That's just speculation.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 02/27/2008

The experts and officals in this case don't agree with ya, apparently.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 02/26/2008

Unfortunately I know the mother of a child with mitochondrial disorder who regressed each time she was vaccinated. Until she died at age 2, following more vaccines, and yet another seizure.

Studies indicate that mercury can cause mitochondrial damage. Mercury injected into infants and pregnant women via Thimerosal, which is STILL used in manufacture and chelated postproduction in varying degrees.

What is the harm in investigating parents' claims instead of denying them? Isn't healing a sick child the ultimate goal?

Children will keep being unnecessarily injured and dying until people finally get their minds around this sad vaccine paradox -- that a product intended to prevent disease may be causing it for a percentage of children.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 02/26/2008

Which issue of Medical Hypotheses has the study that indicates thimerosal as a causative agent for mitochondrial disorder?

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 02/26/2008

I am a parent of a 6 year old boy who has ASD. Until 18 months of age, he was completely normal. He was walking, he was talking, and he was following all of the normal progression steps for a child his age (he was even a little bit ahead in some areas). Then, he had the DPT shot. The same night, his fever was at 105, and he could do nothing but scream. When we brought him to the ER, they asked us if he had received a vaccination, and we said yes. Their reply was, "Oh, this is normal." How can something like that be normal? The next day, his fever was gone, and he was listless. He hasn't spoken since. He quit walking until he was 2 and a half, and it's almost like he isn't my son anymore.

I've been keeping a close eye on this case because this has a direct effect on me and my family. Nearly every parent of an autistic child can pinpoint when the child began showing symptoms, and almost all of them will tell you that its within 3 days of a vaccination.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 02/26/2008

I am so sorry to hear of you and your sons loss and hope the best for both.I am glad that parents such as yoursef are getting the word out to other parents in the midst of such tragedy.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 02/26/2008

"Nearly every parent of an autistic child can pinpoint when the child began showing symptoms, and almost all of them will tell you that its within 3 days of a vaccination."
Nearly all of them? Evidence?

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 02/26/2008

Before I ask you if you are a parent of an autistic child, and also before I ask how much research you've done, I ask that you at least read up on the facts. Look around at the numerous articles of parents of autistic children. Read Jenny McCarthy's story. Read Toni Braxton's story. Read Holly Robinson's story. All 3 of these parents can attribute vaccinations to their child's conditions. I belong to a large and growing community of parents of autistic children. Of the 200 and something people in the group, 90% of them can attribute the condition to a vaccination. This is called a sampling. In a situation where an accurate approximation of a large populace is impossible, a sampling is adequate scientific evidence.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 02/27/2008

Yes, I'll be sure to check out Dr. McCarthy's book as soon as the medical library opens.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 02/27/2008

She doesn't have to be a doctor to FOLLOW FACTS.

FACT: Her son was following all milestones, and in many cases exceeding them )like my son.

FACT: Her son received a Tetanus Booster (which is known to contain Mercury). Within 72 hours, he had a high fever and was arching his back and screaming (like my son).

FACT: Soon after, he quit speaking and withdrew into himself. He quit meeting all developmental milestones and regressed on a few he had already met (like my son).

FACT: A few months later, he was diagnosed with ASD (like my son).

Now, based on these FACTS, what are we able to conclude? That there was some reaction to the vaccination. Now, if it was just one parent having these problems, we could discount it as something else. But, what you are implying is that ALL OF THESE PARENTS WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED THIS EXACT SAME PROBLEM ARE CRAZY! Read the FACTS.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 02/28/2008

How do you know McCarthy's "fact pattern" is true? You would help your credibility if you applied the same skepticism to Jenny McCarthy's claims as you do to real doctors.
McCarthy told Oprah that her son was a normal toddler until he received his measles, mumps and rubella vaccine (at 15 months of age). Yet in her book she writes "My friends" babies all cracked a smile way before Evan did . . . he was almost five months old."
Which is it? Was he normal until his MMR vaccine (which doesn't contain thimerosal? Or was he missing developmental milestones prior to 15 months?
I think some skepticism is in order. Do you?

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 02/28/2008

Yes, there is always some skepticism in any claim. However, lets look at the other parents, those of us who have documented evidence that our children were normal before the shots (my son recieved his DPT in 2002, when thimerosal was still on the market).

My point is this: Are all of us wrong? How is it that one day, our children are normal, then the next, they withdraw? How is it that in so many of these cases, there is a similarity; that these symptoms began within 72 hours of a vaccination? And then the medical industry says there is no connection when all evidence points to the fact that these shots contain mercury, a known heavy metal poison. Yes, I look at their reports with a great deal of skepticism. You must realize that they are doing everything in their power to protect their butts. I say again, I don't think it is a single factor, but I think it is a key! And if it is a key factor, then the government and the medical agencies need to step up and help us! These are our children. My son is non-verbal. He will never lead a normal life; he will never have a job; he will never be able to care for himself; he will never have children. Being that you are a parent of an autistic child, I'm sure you must see where my anger and my frustration come from, and you must also see why I am looking for the truth. I have all of my son's medical records, and I have proof that he was meeting his developmental milestones until he received the DPT. And then, after his diagnoses, I begin doing research and discover all of these stories that echo what happened to my son almost word for word...

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 02/28/2008

You brought up Jenny McCarthy, and now all of a sudden you don't want to talk about her? Why is that? Is it because her anecdotal evidence isn't all the reliable? And now I'm supposed to challenge thousands of unnamed parents, one by one, to find the holes in their stories?
This is the problem with the anti-vaccine ideology - it's immune to facts. And yes, I appreciate the irony. You've already decided what's true, and you're only interested in the data points that support your version of the truth. That's the opposite of how science works.
Science, by the way, has a pretty good track record. David Kirby, not so much.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 02/28/2008

It has nothing to do with proving Jenny McCarthy wrong or right. This has to do with the fact that so many parents are telling a similar story, almost word for word. Are they all wrong? Is this some delusional fantasy of well over 2 million parents? I used her as an example because she is a celebrity and has publicly announced her views. She is also one of the easiest to look up to see what it is she is saying. And you bring up an interesting point about science. You talk about how I am interested in only the data that proves my point. Well, look up who did all of these studies concerning the vaccine-autism link. The information they released is most certainly biased in their favor. Just like several decades ago when the government said that Asbestos didn't harm anyone and that it was safe to build with. Do we still believe the government? You mention skepticism, and I agree with you concerning that skepticism. It goes both ways

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 02/28/2008

Two million parents? Where does that number come from?

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 02/28/2008

I apologize. In this case, it was a misread of a decimal. The number of autism cases in the US is currently 256247.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 02/28/2008

This is what I sent to the NIH when they were asking for information regarding autism:
I am a former food process engineer who believes, because recent studies have implicated genes which code for glutamate synapses in ASD, we should investigate the effects of both INGESTED and INJECTED excitatory free amino acids (glutamic acid and aspartic acid) on children with these "autism genes".
If excitatory free amino acids affect ASD children, it would explain both the impact of GF-CF diets AND a vaccine link. Vaccines have free glutamic acid added to preserve the virus. It is found in extremely high amounts in processed wheat and dairy products " so much so that food manufacturers use these two items routinely to produce free glutamic acid in foods but with a "clean label".
Consequently, a child may not improve on a GF-CF diet alone, because it doesn"t limit all potential sources of free glutamic acid " like soy. Children are tested at birth for PKU and phenylalanine is limited until the brain is hardwired by the age of 7. Why not treat the predisposition for autism similarly and limit the glutamic and aspartic amino acids in the diets of children with autism genes?
ASD also includes errors of metabolism for sulfur containing amino acids " like cysteine. Cysteine is converted to taurine and glutathione by the liver. Taurine regulates heartbeat and osmotic balance as well as bile production and was found to be low after a seizure. In ASD, symptoms include arrhythmias, digestive disorders and a high rate of epilepsy " suggesting that taurine production may be compromised. Glutathione levels are also lower in ASD leading one to conclude that possibly, cysteine metabolism may be responsible for the myriad and seemingly unrelated additional symptoms of ASD. It should be noted that glutamate interferes with the handling of cysteine. When cysteine metabolism is compromised, homocysteine levels may increase. The lower levels of glutathione may put ASD individuals at risk of mercury poisoning, since glutathione helps eliminates mercury from the body.
It should be noted that the NMDA receptors that respond to both glutamate and aspartate are found in the amygdala - part of the limbic system involved in the perception of taste and smell as well as fear. Activating the amygdala in ASD, causes gaze avoidance. ASD children may also over-react to smells and tastes and face to face encounters can overwhelm them with fear. Limiting excitatory amino acids that target the amygdala may help.
Japan consumes more MSG, and fish (a dietary source of mercury) than nearly any other country. Compared to the amount of mercury consumed in fish and the amount of MSG consumed in the diet, the MMR contribution was probably small compared to a typical Japanese diet. In Japan, the MMR vaccine was stopped in 1993. Autism rates still increased. Perhaps in Japan, the diet plays more of a role in autism than the vaccines. Children from other countries with a lower consumption of fish and MSG may find a stronger correlation between vaccines and autism.
New research studies into ASD should include people who are sensitive to the food additives MSG and aspartame. MSG-sensitive persons have reported a distinct lessening of symptoms by using taurine, ibuprofen, CoQ10, Vitamins B6 and B12, sugar, foods high in butyric acid " like butter, and Magnesium. Perhaps they share some of the same genes that predispose a child to ASD. New treatment studies should look into these easily available, inexpensive and relatively safe compounds.
Based on what I have observed, here are my recommendations:

1. Treatment of ASD?
REMOVAL of excitatory amino acids (glutamate, aspartate) from VACCINES.
Glutamate and aspartate restricted diet (similar to treatment for PKU) in addition to GF/CF diet.
Supplementation of taurine, glutathione, vitamins B6, C, magnesium, CoQ10.
Increased carbohydrate
Labeling of free glutamic and aspartic acid on food labels.
Glutamate blockers, anti-histamines and leukotriene blockers for children already suffering or getting vaccinated
We should calm their surroundings, encourage quiet tasks and less-threatening contact to enhance communication. We need to give them space and not overwhelm them.

2. Diagnosis of ASD?
Test for autism genes preferably AT BIRTH like PKU
Tests for aspartic acid, glutamic acid, glutathione, taurine, cysteine, homocysteine

3. Risk factors for ASD?
Autism Genes
Sensitivity to excitatory amino acids,
Low taurine, low glutathione
Sulfite Sensitivity
Vaccination with glutamic acid as a preservative
Damage to the microglia
Overactive immune system
"Junk food" diet
Aspartame in medications or vitamins or foods Multiple food allergy

4. Biology of ASD?
Excess CNS sensitivity,
Inability to handle sulfur-containing amino acids,
Overactive immune response " linked to Nerve Growth Factor

5. Other areas of ASD research?
Common genes in Alzheimer"s, Parkinsons, ALS, MS, and excitatory amino acid sensitivity.
Study persons without ASD who suffer from overactive CNS or neurodegenerative disease and sensitivity to excitatory amino acids. See if they share same genes.
Could Alzhemier"s sufferers simply be ADS children whose brains were hard-wired before damage by the environment?

Please see this webpage that clearly shows why a wheat and dairy based processed food diet may be very harmful to a child sensitive to excitatory amino acids.
http://www.msgtruth.org/avoid.htm

David, I hope they really investigate vaccines now - I rest my case! :)

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 02/26/2008

This really is a multi-level blow to the pharmaceutical industry: if, in this and many other cases, it's proven that autism is not caused by a genetic brain defect but through a known process of preventable poisoning, how will the drug companies justify the use of Risperdal and other psychiatric drugs as among the "first lines of treatment" for "autistic behaviors" on the grounds that these drugs "correct genetic brain chemical imbalances"? Will they contend that Risperdal enters the blood stream with tiny knitting needles to knit back up the unravelled mitochondria? Or maybe a teeny iron-on patch kit for damaged DNA and RNA?

Because if they can't argue that these drugs are "therapeutic", then the risk/benefit model crashes. The drugs would have to be regarded merely as chemical controls, nothing more. Some families might still choose this route to control dangerous behavior, though clearly fewer would do so if the risks were presented as the only proven effects of the drugs. There would be no supposed amelioration of brain chemicals to outweigh the massive adverse effects in any case.

Of course, like the adaptive viruses that they are, the pharmaceutical companies will attempt to fit some theory to developing views as an attempt to "scientifically" justify regarding the drugs as "therapeutic" all over again. But it really is a blow to profits if the mechanism of a condition is understood to the point that it is preventable and treatable by means tailored to the actual mechanism of harm.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 02/26/2008

Let us not forget that the reason the government lawyers conceded this case was because they faced overwhelming proof that they knew they could not dispute. I wish we could have seen the mountain of evidence they were up against.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 02/26/2008

Great analysis. I am so glad this family will receive money to care for their child, who will not be a child forever. The DSM could never do justice to these children but this ruling is bringing it closer to medical reality.
Keep up the fight!
Teresa Conrick

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 02/25/2008

The girl is doing much better:
"Now 6 years old, our patient has been treated with vitamin supplements since 2¹„‚‚years of age. Even before starting supplementation, the patient began speaking again at 23 months old and had a four-word vocabulary of "bubbles," "ball," "drink," and "cracker." Levocarnitine 250 mg and thiamine 50 mg three times per day were initiated when the patient was 29 months old. Coenzyme Q 10 was added at age 33 months. Although she still exhibits mild autistic behaviors, our patient has continued to improve in language functions and sociability such that she now attends a regular kindergarten with an aide. There have been slow yet steady improvements in muscle tone, motor coordination, and gastrointestinal symptoms with occupational therapy, applied behavioral analysis interventions, and mitochondrial enzyme cofactor supplements. After the age of 2 years, growth trajectory has continued along the 75th percentile for both height and weight. Laboratory tests were repeated at ages 2 years and 10 months (aspartate aminotransferase 47 IU/L, normal < 38 IU/L; alanine transferase 20 IU/L, normal < 40 IU/L; serum creatine kinase level 105 IU/L, normal < 194 IU/L), 4 years old (aspartate aminotransferase 36 IU/L; alanine transferase 19 IU/L; serum creatine kinase level 169 IU/L), and 6 years old (aspartate aminotransferase 36 IU/L; alanine transferase 21 IU/L; alanine to lysine ratio 1.58, normal < 1.5 to 2.5). During an acute illness owing to C difficile, the aspartate aminotransferase was on one occasion elevated to 50 IU/L; however, the serum creatine kinase level remained normal at 169 IU/L. Urine organic acids and serum amino acids have been normal at ages 3 and 6 years. Childhood Autism Rating Scale scores since beginning kindergarten have been under 30."

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 02/25/2008

It seems to me there is a practical approach that makes the same sense regardless of how you analyze the past or which side of a debate you're on:
1) Get any residual mercury out of our vaccines and try to educate both doctors and patients to read the labels. Whether that will prevent autism or not, it will obviously do us good.
2) See if the incidence of autism declines correspondingly, and concentrate research efforts in the most likely direction.
Am I being unfair to anybody?

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 PM on 02/25/2008

Thimerosal has been gone from scheduled childhood vaccines since 2002. A child born since then is more likely to have never received a TCV than older children.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 02/25/2008

actually thimerosal was banned but the manufacturers were allowed to sell their remaining inventory. The flu shot and tetanus still have hig (25 micrograms) of mercury. Thimerosal is also still used in the manufacturing process for many vaccines. It is suppose to be removed but no one is really checking. Congressman Dan Burton just asked the FDA to comment on who checks to see if it was really removed and who enforces this.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 AM on 02/26/2008

Wait a minute. Thimerosal has NOT been banned! Where on earth did you get the idea that it's been banned?!

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 02/28/2008



Thimerosal was (unfortunately) NOT removed in 2002!, my pediatrician found a case of DTaP vaccine in 2003 with a 2005 expiration date on them (which we took to our State Capitol to prove to legislators Thimerosal had NOT been removed).

In 2002 Thimerosal was re-introduced into the vaccine schedule through the flu vaccine with 12.5 mcg per infant shot. To compound the exposure, Pregnant mothers were encouraged to take the shot with 25 mcg exposing the fetus to mercury. According to the EPA government standards, a child must weigh 250 lbs to safely absorb the 12.5 mcg. The pregnant mother must weigh 550 lbs to safely absorb the shot containing 25 mcg.

I believe we will have to wait until 2009-2012 to see if the REDUCTION of ethyl-mercury/thimerosal has reduced the incidence of autism. Thimerosal was REDUCED in vaccines, NOT REMOVED, the live virus vaccines do not contain Thimerosal, because the Thimerosal would kill the live virus).

Visit the FDA website to see the vaccines which still contain Thimerosal and the ones that still have trace amounts. Read 'em and weep!http://www.fda.gov/CBER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm

Leslie, Lanier's Mom

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 02/25/2008

Wrong. It is still in abundance in flu shots and the generic tetanus booster, as well as others. See the FDA's own web pages:

http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm

And even though CA legislation was signed in 2001 banning it in vaccines for children and pregnant women, it was still in vaccines given to children and pregnant women through 2006.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 02/25/2008

I believe all children with "autism" have underlying problems that vaccines, their toxic ingredients, and live viruses aggravated and caused "symptoms" mimicking autism. I also believe mercury, in a large number of cases, caused mercury poisoning. Mercury poisoning also mimics "symptoms" of autism.

My child with "autism" suffers from a constellation of illnesses, oxidative stress, and a rare rheumatoid auto-immune disease. Her "autism" is not just from the neck up, or "all brain" related. Genetics are not the sole cause of her daily struggles, illnesses and suffering.

I read the alphabet soup of government health agencies denying a link between MERCURY and AUTISM, but they cannot deny MERCURY EXPOSURE could cause MERCURY POISONING. A SAFE level of ethel-mercury via injection has NEVER been established. The vaccine was the delivery system for the poison.

Any medical professional who claims even a trace amount of mercury is safe by injection, should return to elementary school for science class or have their medical license taken away.

I hope the medical community and the government will someday rally around our children and find ways to help them instead of spending millions looking for an elusive autism gene that does not exist. I also wish they would understand the parents are not the enemy, they want help for their children and to ensure vaccines are safe.



GREEN OUR VACCINES!
Remove the toxins from the vaccines and make them safe for America"s babies.

Lanier"s Mom

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 02/25/2008

Do you really think children, especially babies really need so many vaccines? I brought up 3 children with no vaccines with no health problems.Oh yes, one had an ear infection sometimes after swimming and my son got Giardia once while traveling but they they remain extremely healthy. The body has the ability to heal itself, especially if protected by breastfeeding and modern sewage and water systems.We are confusing our childrens immune systems we these massive influx of multiple antibodies at once.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 02/26/2008

Do you know that the symptoms of mercury poisoning are distinct from the symptoms of autism?

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 02/25/2008

After "conceding," can the federal government take it up to the Supreme Court? It seems a fair reading of the court's decision granting immunity to manufacturers of medical devices which were approved by the FDA would also result in immunity for all the drug companies and doctors who administered vaccines.

In fact, it's even possible this court court is just setting the stage for a holding that since the federal government approved the wiretapping of citizens' phones and bugging of our e-mails, that means the telecommunications industry is given immunity. Even if Congress won't, the Supreme Court will.

Anyway, given the extremely pro-corporate bias of this court, I wouldn't break out the champagne on any injured consumer claim. I suspect their goal is to simply say citizens can never sue businesses, no matter what. The Republicans will call it the Roberts Doctrine. Some people will call it fascism.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 02/25/2008

The U.S. gov'nt has ahistory of deceit when it comes to vaccines.Although it was known that polio vaccines grown on monkey cultures were contaminated with a late appearing cancer virus the gov'nt preferred not to notify people and continued vaccinating with it.They were afraid it could decrease the public's trust in their nwely founded public vaccination program.As a result many people died of the cancer 30 -40 yrs later....

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 02/25/2008

Of course, thimerosol has been present in any children's vaccines given since the year 2000, yet the frequency of autism has actually increased.

Hate to spoil the party.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 02/25/2008

Thimerisol in vaccines has not been banned. Manufacturers have been removing it on a voluntary basis only. Since the purpose of using a mercury based preservative was to create a vaccine that could sit on a shelf forever, there are massive stockpiles of vaccines manufactured before the manufacturers devised the mercury free formulas, and they are still being used. The only sure way a parent can guarantee their child is getting thimerisol free vaccinations is to insist on reading the ingredient label on the packaging.

The truth is, children aren't being exposed to significantly less mercury now than they were at the turn of the century. Hate to spoil the party.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 02/25/2008

Oops. I meant to write thimerosol has NOT been present since 2000.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 02/25/2008

Actually it is still present. It was removed for preservative use with a few exceptions such as the flu shot. Mercury still remains in the other vaccines (such as DTP, HepB) as residual left over from the manufacturing process. One can say it's preservative use has been removed and be correct but one cannot say it has been completely removed.
Kids are still getting mercury and in now more shots that any other time.
Mercury may not be the only problem either in a one size fits all program.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 02/25/2008

KYODO, Japan, Feb. 25 (UPI) -- The Japanese government is bracing for a flood of damage suits from hundreds of people who contracted hepatitis B through mandatory childhood vaccinations.

Lawyers for the victims say the first suits will be filed in late March by a group of some 20 people who are seeking compensation of between $139 million and $555 million each, Kyodo News reported Monday.

Other groups are expected to follow in April, filing their cases in 11 district courts across Japan, the lawyers say.

Last month the Diet enacted relief measures for people who contracted hepatitis C from tainted blood products after Japan's Supreme Court ordered compensation for five hepatitis B victims, Kyodo said.

Japan no longer mandates vaccinations against certain diseases due to side effects that prompted a number of lawsuits.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 02/25/2008

In December of last year (2007) just less than 2 months ago, States in the USA passed mandatory laws enforcing USA infants to receive MORE brain destroying chemicals in their added vaccine schedules " thimerosal laced vaccines at 25mcg per SHOT.
If you have to ask why journalists are reporting about the harm from this chemical then obviously, you are like the regulators of our country living in some "Dream World" where magically, the world"s most toxic non radioactive element is transformed into some IQ improver as it destroys brain cells if it is diluted evenly through the childs body.
Fortunately in the survival of the fittest; even these mercury toxified children can survive such insults or at least 3 out of 4 can. One in four becoming asthmatic or worse. In addition 499 out of 500 of these children don"t actually and coincidently die at this time.
Perhaps with grown up children it is not a problem to you or perhaps your children easily passed this modern day rerun of Spartan upbringing?
But if you have one dead baby, 6 hours, after a mercury laced vaccine, you can TRUST the Government to house, feed and look after you for life.
Sally Clark for example stands as the best example of how the Government take such people to their bosom.
Sentenced to life in prison, they then injected her with toxic mercury (in case she passed on HEP B to the warders?) like her son Harry received 6 hours before struggling for breath and dying.
Sally of course being bigger and tougher lasted a few years until she passed away at the great age of 42.
The government had the last laugh though, for in a rerun of denial over vaccine harm they left her diabetic vaccine induced body to"ferment" before autopsy and then blamed her death on the odd 28 double whiskies they claimed she secretly drank at home while no one was looking the night before.
CYNICAL? YOU BET!

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 02/25/2008

We continue to fulfill our duty as parents to take this as far as necessary to expose the truth and get justice for our son.

Thank you for your outstanding moral character by continuing to shine the spotlight on these events and the facts surrounding them.

We will prevail in the end no matter the cost.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 02/25/2008

"3) If the government is claiming that vaccines did not "cause" autism, but instead aggravated a condition to "manifest" as autism, isn't that a very fine distinction?"
Dan Olmsted draws the same "fine distinction" when he claims the Amish children he missed don't have the kind of autism he was looking for.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 02/25/2008

More food for thought:

Lombard J. Autism: a mitochondrial disorder? Med Hypotheses 1998; 50(6): 497-500.

Michelle L. Humphrey, Marsha P. Cole, James C. Pendergrass and Kinsley K. Kiningham. Mitochondrial Mediated Thimerosal-Induced Apoptosis in a Human Neuroblastoma Cell Line (SK-N-SH). "[T]hese findings suggest deleterious effects on the cytoarchitecture by thimerosal and initiation of mitochondrial-mediated apoptosis."

Shenker B. J., Guo T. L., Shapiro I. M. Low-level methylmercury exposure causes human T-cells to undergo apoptosis: evidence of mitochondrial dysfunction. Environ Res 1998; Section A 77(2): 149-159.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 02/25/2008

Nancy, don't you realize that Medical Hypotheses will publish just about anything? I'm not saying there aren't any reputable studies to back up whatever point you're trying to make. But Medical Hypotheses? How seriously do you expect to be taken?

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 02/25/2008

Food for thought, not journal snobbery. But if argumentum ad hominem is your forte, then let's think about the honesty and ethics of the AAP journal Pediatrics and its pharmaceutical company ties.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 02/26/2008

Food for thought. Good one. Parents with starving brains.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 02/26/2008

You are implying that we are looking for someone to blame. We are not. We are looking for the truth!

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 02/28/2008

Sealed records eh? Guess they seal them because there is really nothing for anyone (researchers or journalists) to see.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 02/25/2008

Of course they are sealed? Why would the government, and the vaccination companies who fund our illustreous leaders, want information like that to get out to the public or media? My goodness, the people might lose faith in our government.

Oh wait, that's already happened.

The government and Merck (among others) wants to insure that this information stays under wraps. The family didn't seal the records, they did.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 02/26/2008

Actually, the records are sealed because they are of a private, medical nature. Would you want your family's health records open to the rest of the world? If Mr. Kirby wants to know more, he could call the petitioners and ask them some questions.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 02/25/2008

Absolutely... Especially if it could possibly help someone else in the same situation. I think most people, at least people with special needs kids, feel that way. We're all in the same boat.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 02/26/2008

The sealed records are at the government's insistence, not the request of the family.

As part of settlements in the court, the government places a gag order on the petitioners.
If the case wasn't conceded then other petitioners could use that info in their hearings or later in civil suits if the petitioners decide to go that route.
That is probably more of what the HHS and pharmica do not want - for the info to become public and brought into a civil suit. Thus it was more of a tactical move to prevent that from happening.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 02/25/2008

Ole, I noticed you got no response to this--good catch!

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 02/26/2008

If only it were worth my time to list the fallacies in this article one-by-one, but I don't have an entire day to devote to it. Suffice it to say, a single out-of-court settlement, about which there seem to be no details available, does not scientific research make. Scientific studies have repeatedly refuted a causal link between vaccines and autism. That's not to say that the risks of vaccines aren't worthy of continuing study, but that study should be conducted by trained professionals, not inferred by journalists based on sealed court records.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 02/25/2008

Wrong! There are no scientific studies that refute causality between vaccines/mercury and autism. You can't prove a negative (logic 101). Go back and look at all those studies; they all say they "found no connection" which is quite a different thing from saying that there is none. Also, you can't refute empirical evidence with epidemiology (i.e., statistic studies never trump actual petri dish science). There is a growing body of empirical evidence to show that the mercury in vaccines is quite toxic.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 02/26/2008

What growing body of evidence shows that thimerosal, as normally used, is "quite toxic"?

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 02/27/2008

I'm wondering if you are one of the individuals that believes that mercury is perfectly safe.

If so, I think you would do quite well working with Bush and his people. When he was governer of Texas, he allowed the Electric companies to dump their mercury into the ground water because, and I quote "it doesn't hurt anybody."

Symptoms of Mercury poisoning are:
sensory impairment (vision, hearing, speech), disturbed sensation and a lack of coordination. The type and degree of symptoms exhibited depend upon the individual toxin, the dose, and the method and duration of exposure.

Affected children may show red cheeks and nose, erythematous lips (red lips), loss of hair, teeth, and nails, transient rashes, hypotonia (muscle weakness), and photophobia. Other symptoms may include kidney disfunction (e.g. Fanconi syndrome) or neuropsychiatric symptoms (emotional lability, memory impairment, insomnia).

Hmmm...nope, doesn't harm anyone does it?

It's interesting to note that many of the above neurological symptoms (sensory loss, loss of speech, etc.) are similar to some of the symptoms of ASD.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 02/28/2008

I think just about every substance on the planet can be safe at one level and dangerous at another. Even oxygen is dangerous in its purest form. Mercury is a naturally occurring element, and every one of us carries some in our bodies. At some levels, and in some forms, Hg is deadly. In thimerosal, which has been absent from scheduled childhood vaccines* for five years, the ethyl mercury is in very small doses and is quickly excreted.
If thimerosal caused autism, then we would have seen a drastic decline in the number of 3-5 year olds with autism. Most kids don't get a TCV flu shot before the age of three. Ten years ago, just about every kid received at least one TVC before the the age of three.
These facts will do nothing to dissuade people who have already made up their minds, but for the open minded among you it's "food for thought" as Nancy likes to say. ;-)
*read carefully: Scheduled. Childhood. Vaccines.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 02/28/2008

Ok, explain something to me here. How is it that chelation therapy is so effective on these children? You bring up a very interesting point here that I'd like to expand on.

Supposedly, the mercury in the vaccines is in small amounts and quickly excreted. But, it appears with many of these children that the mercury is NOT being excreted. This could be one of the reasons that chelation is so successful. Yes, I concede that there could be some type of genetic defect that prevents these children from properly processing certain heavy medals in the bloodstream.

As you said, just "Food for Thought"

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 02/28/2008

Can you name one peer-reviewed study that shows chelation is effective in the treatment of autism? Craig, I know you mean well, and I'm sure you love your children as much as I love mine, but these "truths' you keep bringing up barely rise to the level of urban myth.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 02/28/2008

The thing to keep in mind is that these "scientific studies" were funded and sponsored by the FDA and the vaccination companies, 2 groups who have a vested interest in keeping this information under wraps.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 02/26/2008

This is not the inference of a journalist, these are the words of the Government--please read them again:

In its written concession, the government said the child had a pre-existing mitochondrial disorder that was "aggravated" by her shots, and which ultimately resulted in an ASD diagnosis.
"The vaccinations received on July 19, 2000, significantly aggravated an underlying mitochondrial disorder," the concession says, "which predisposed her to deficits in cellular energy metabolism, and manifested as a regressive encephalopathy with features of ASD."

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 02/25/2008

"which ultimately resulted in an ASD diagnosis."
Where are you finding this? I reviewed the document, and I've yet to see where this child was ever officially given an Autism diagnosis. She was said on several occasions to have "autistic features" which is common in both encephalopathy and mitchondrial disease. A child at one time presenting (especially as a toddler) with "autistic features" may not go on to receive a diagnosis of Autism at a later age. In this case, the child was diagnosed with oxidative phosphorylation disease.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 02/26/2008

How do we know whose words these are? Mr. Kirby bases those paragraphs on "secret documents". Let's show some skepticism, people.
If this concession was a smoking gun, then why would it make legal sense to drop the whole case from the Omnibus? I mean, didn't the petitioners agree to the respondent's motion?

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 02/25/2008

So I'll just come right out and ask it as a question and see if the censors here can deal with a little truth.

I have a difficult time believing that two grown men would follow this issue around the blogosphere just in the name of science, or accuracy in reporting. There are so many issues and challenges facing our country today. So this is the question:

Do either of you now, or have you ever been, employed in the pharmaceuticals industry, or any think tank, public policy organization, etc with the agenda of refuting the claims of people whose children have been stricken with this terrible condition?

I think that's a fair question, and one that many here would like to know the answer to. And, if my question is not posted here, you can be certain that I will continue to ask it in every available venue.

Thank you for your cooperation.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 02/26/2008

I have no connection to any pharmaceutical company think tank, PPO, etc. I am a business writer with a 12 year son with autism.
Is this the part where you say I need to prove a negative?

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 02/27/2008

If your son is autistic, then I sympathize with you.

I agree with you that something needs to be done to help our children. This article gives some of us hope; those of us who KNOW when the symptoms started are following this case very carefully.

Did my son receive autism from a vaccination? Yes and no. As I stated in another post, I think it is a combination of factors. I do believe that the shot was a KEY CONTRIBUTING FACTOR in his condition.

It could also be that he may not have ASD, but have a condition that is so similar that it is mistaken for ASD, like the child in the article. It doesn't matter. What matters is that the vaccinations contributed to both his condition and the condition of the little girl in the article. And, if this is true, the Government, the medical industry and the FDA NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY!

How can so many parents be wrong? How are so many parents able to trace the condition of their children back to one individual incident? Are you telling us that all of this is a coincidence?

I'm not trying to flame you. All of us, the parents of autistic children simply want answers. By telling us that evidence shows (evidence, I might add that is bought and paid for by the FDA and the pharm industry) that there is no connection when everything that we've researched, fought for and cried for shows that there IS one, you are insulting us and belittling us.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 02/28/2008

I appreciate your respectful reply. I started my website, AutismNewsBeat.com last October to monitor and critique press coverage of the autism-vaccine debate. I started out with the assumption that nobody is well served, least of all our kids, if either side ignores evidence and instead relies on anecdotes and urban legend to make their points. I hope we can all agree on that.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 02/28/2008

Excellent question, Rule! My bet is that yes, either they belong to the pharm industry, or they are somehow associated with the medical industry.

The thing that irks me about these particular individuals is that A. They do not have and have probably never met an autistic child, and B. They are so antagonistic towards the parents of these children who are simply looking for answers. As parents, we KNOW our babies. We KNOW when something is wrong. I can trace my son's problem down to a single and verifiable incident, and so can many other parents. Yet, they refute and belittle us by saying that there is no evidence.

News flash: They would not have awarded the family of the little girl if there were NOT evidence of a connection.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 02/27/2008

thanks Craig, I thought it needed asking, too! As one of the few people born with an actual allergy to Mercury this issue has been close to my heart for quite some time.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 02/27/2008

Craig, I usually restrict my posting to the econ blogs where, even though numbers can be made to lie by government flacks, there are people who can bring the thread back to the truth by an application of reason and good science. Here, it is as you said--character assassination, doublespeak, and outright twisting of the facts without regard for the experience of millions of parents--and that just goes against my grain.

Especially if there is a hidden agenda. Apparently the word troll, which is used frequently on other blogs, is a no no here, but on any other site, even the Obama vs Hillary bloodfests, an obvious mouthpiece for one side or the other, is reviled equally by both as merely an agent provocateur and urged to reform. I hope that we can bring a bit of that open dialogue to this question, upon whihc hinges not just the health and welfare of the next generation of children, but billions in profit made from their suffering.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 02/27/2008

Thank you both.

One of the things that is mentioned several times in this article is that the ruling in no way verifies a link between vaccination and autism. Personally, I don't think that it is just the mercury that is causing the symptoms, but a combination of factors that all link together to cause it. I very strongly feel, however, that vaccines preserved and processed with mercury are a key triggering factor.

No, what this article is saying is that the government has acknowledged some type of link. This is extremely important to those of us who have for years been told that we are crazy and have no idea what we are talking about when we say that our children received autism from a shot. It sickens and infuriates me when the government and medical agencies do everything in their power to push the blame off on something else (environmental factors, a gene that shows up in .002% of the populace that is somehow responsible for 1 in 150 children having autism). The government, the FDA and the DHHS need to step up and acknowledge this. Something needs to be done to help the parents of these 1 in 150 children who (like myself) are paying thousands upon thousands of dollars EVERY MONTH because their insurance companies refuse to pay for "pre-existing conditions," all so that they can get their children treatment so the children can have as normal of a life as possible.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 02/27/2008

The Coal Companies denied black lung. The asbestos corps. and the US government denied white lung to military shipyard workers. The Tobacco Cartel--well, we know. Agent Orange, depleted uranium shell exposure, anthrax vaccinations, all government denials to protect big business. And the dozen or so lawsuits involving drugs for everything from blood pressure and heart medications, to the psychiatric drugs currently implicated in depression and suicide; all, at this time denied by their manufacturers.

We have a long and illustrious history in this country of protecting the money, and killing those who cannot afford justice. And the insurance companies, now, since the repeal of the Glass-Steagall act that formerly prevented the vertical integration of conflicting financial entities, are owned by the Investment Banks that fund the same companies that manufacture these poisons. Deregulation has done at least as much to harm our children as the companies themselves.

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 02/27/2008

You are so right David, this is big new! I find myself gasping at the similarities to which my son regressed into autism and this girl's regression. Same scenario, same symptoms, varying just slightly. My pediatrician did run mito blood tests but admitted he did not know what he was looking for, they looked "fine" to him. No muscle biopsy was done. However, this is the same story I hear over and over again from parents of children who regressed. I think there is a MUCH larger subset of kids that fit this profile and it's gone on ignored for far too long.

I object to the removal of this case as a test case because I believe a large number of us are in the same situation, not just one child, but a host of children whose conditions will not be represented in this court, we are not a participant in the court case but the participants who are in these test cases are representing all of us for answers to this devistating disorder. Where is the justice for us in removing this case??

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 02/25/2008

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