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    Germany deflects calls for ECB to have more power

    STRASBOURG, France (AP) — Germany deflected calls for the European Central Bank to play a bigger role in solving Europe's debt crisis but did win the backing of France and Italy to unite the troubled 17-nation eurozone more closely.

    Europe's biggest economy and the main financier of the eurozone's three bailouts has argued against allowing the ECB to use its firepower to ease a debt crisis that's shown alarming signs recently of spreading to big economies, like Italy.

    Instead of using the ECB's cash-printing power, the eurozone's richest countries decided to use political tools to dig their way out of the crisis: Germany and France agreed Thursday to push for changes to EU treaties to bring the eurozone's economic policies more in line with each other.

    "In the treaty changes, we are dealing with the question of a fiscal union, a deeper political cooperation ... there will be proposals on this, but they have nothing to do with the ECB," German Chancellor Angela Merkel said Thursday in Strasbourg, France after meeting with French President Nicolas Sarkozy and Italy's new premier Mario Monti.

    Many think the ECB is the only institution capable of calming frayed market nerves and Merkel's continued dismissal of a greater ECB role knocked market sentiment and stocks all round Europe fell again after a morning rebound.

    Potentially, the ECB has unlimited financial firepower through its ability to print money. However, Germany finds the idea of monetizing debts unappealing, warning that it lets the more profligate countries off the hook for their bad practices. In addition, it conjures up bad memories of hyperinflation in Germany in the 1920s.

    For now, all the three leaders agreed on with that current rules were not stringent enough and needed beefing up to prevent a repeat of the debt crisis that's rocked the eurozone for nearly two years.

    Sarkozy said "propositions for the modification of treaties" would be presented in the coming days.

    He wouldn't elaborate on what these changes may be but said they would be ready in time for the next EU leaders summit on December 9. Treaty changes are, more often than not, a notoriously laborious endeavor.

    Merkel said the treaty changes would "make clear that we must take steps toward a fiscal union to express the conviction that we know policies must be more closely coordinated if you have a common, stable currency."

    "It is political confidence in Europe that has been lost — we can only win it back politically," Merkel said.

    This was the first meeting of the three leaders since Monti took over last week following mounting market concerns over Italy's huge debt, which stand at euro1.9 trillion ($2.6 trillion), or a huge 120 percent of economic output. Europe's current anti-crisis measures are too not big enough to deal with Italy's debt mountain.

    Sarkozy said the three leaders had agreed to meet again "very soon" in Rome at Monti's invitation to continue their three-way dialogue.

    The meeting comes amid signs that even Germany and France — the eurozone's two biggest economies — are not immune from the crisis that's already seen three relatively small countries bailed out.

    All three leaders said they would do what it takes to stabilize the situation and save the euro.

    "We want the euro, we want a strong, stable euro ... we will do everything to defend it," Merkel said.

    France has been reluctant to resort to changes to EU treaties to improve the way the eurozone countries work together and set policies and prevent future crises. Germany had pushed for such changes, saying voluntary pledges by national governments are no longer enough to boost market confidence.

    Merkel also maintained her opposition to the European Commission's new drive for eurobonds.

    Germany has opposed the use of eurobonds and has long called on fiscally wayward member states to clean up their own houses with as little outside intervention as possible. A big worry for Germany is that its low borrowing costs would get diluted if eurobonds came into issue and it would then be forced to pay higher rates to tap bond markets.

    "It would be completely the wrong signal to lose sight entirely now of these differing interest rates, because they are a pointer to where something still needs to be done and where we need to go further," she said.

    Monti, meanwhile, reiterated his pledge to balance Italy's budget by 2013 though he sidestepped the question on whether achieving that aim would require more austerity measures, and if so, whether it risked triggering a recession in the eurozone's third largest economy.

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    Associated Press writers Geir Moulson in Berlin and Frances d'Emilio in Rome contributed to this article.

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    • Outraged about an hour ago
      More centralized banking power? This crisis exists because the central banks control the currency supply for Europe and the United States. Take control of fiat currency back from the central bankers. They are the problem.
    • Guitar56 about an hour ago
      Dishonest Money brings dishonest policies, dishonest politicians, dishonest bankers, dishonest systems, dishonest everything. Money that is created out of thin air by Central Banks has always returned to its real intrinsic value of ZERO! In all of history, the only honest monetary system that has never faltered is that of Gold and Silver. ALL other monetary systems have fallen. Not one fiat monetary system in all of history has ever worked. The longest lasting non-metal based monetary system was called the Tally Stick. It lasted almost 700 years, and could not be inflated, manipulated, or counterfeited.
      Watch the Money Masters Movie on YouTube. It's a great explanation of why we are where we are at as a nation. It is not because of any political party. The sooner we all learn that, the better off our nation will be.
    • Bruce  •  Los Angeles, United States  •  50 minutes ago
      The ECB is one of the main problems. Why in the H3ll would you want to put more power in their hands? It's just like the Fed in the US.
    • JeffS  •  Irvine, United States  •  56 minutes ago
      More power to unelected bankers who control the money supply and caused the problem? Yeah that makes sense.

      Do we live in a democracy or not? Who elected the banksters in the Fed and ECB? MOney plays such an important role in peoples lives and we dont get to elect the people who control the money supply and the money creation process.

      Voting is a placebo to keep the masses docile and thinking that they have the power when they really dont. Once people realize that it doesnt matter who they vote for (because the politicians are bought out by the people who can create the money) then maybe they'll start to pay more attention to how money is created and who controls it.
    • John786  •  Fair Oaks, United States  •  about an hour ago
      The ECB and the EU is what created this mess. They ought to disband it and all go back to being separate countries with their own destiny.
    • kimmmme  •  Lancaster, United States  •  about an hour ago
      DISMANTLE the EU and the EUCentral Bank. They are nothing more than Big Business's attempts to controll EVERYTHING! and EVERYBODY!
    • JohnQ  •  Show Low, United States  •  about an hour ago
      The EU will fail, Europe will enter a deep recession. China's exports will plummet and China will enter a recession. The US with our massive debt will collapse as the dollar fails. Prepare.
    • Rick  •  Madrid, Spain  •  34 minutes ago
      The royal families of Europe tossed the Greek and Italian governments out and placed their bankers at the helm. Nothing says real democracy like corrupt practices and nothing is more corrupt than the outgoing prime minister appointing a non-elected banker to lead an unelected government and to sign the papers giving up a nations wealth. The people? They are still slaves and property of the powers that rule their lives and strip them of their wealth. People are optimists. They believe that their governments are basically good and trying. They blame whoever they are told is to blame. Understanding is not for them, it is for those whose lives depend on fraud. Happy Thanksgiving!
    • Wasup  •  Sacramento, United States  •  36 minutes ago
      "If the American people ever allow the banks to control the
      issuance of their currency, first by inflation, and then by
      deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around
      them will deprive the people of all property, until their
      children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers
      conquered. The issuing power of money should be taken from
      banks and restored to Congress and the people to whom it
      belongs. I sincerely believe the banking institutions having
      the issuing power of money, are more dangerous to liberty than
      standing armies."
      -- Thomas Jefferson
    • Darren B 39 minutes ago
      The ECB IS the problem in the first place and so is the EU!! They want each country to give up their sovereignty and stay debt slaves to these criminals. DON'T DO IT!!!! European should return to it's original form, NO ECB and each nation it's own sovereign state.
    • Bruce  •  Los Angeles, United States  •  43 minutes ago
      You know what is going to happen. A few cash strap countries on the verge of collapse will eventually start a war or two in order to attempt to establish a common cause with their people. That has been a fairly common MO throughout all of history.
    • Bruce  •  Los Angeles, United States  •  36 minutes ago
      Merkel seems to be the only world leader with any sense at all and she catches grief for it all of the time.
    • David F about an hour ago
      Printing money is not the answer!All you do with that is dig a bigger hole! Bonehead politicians! An intelligent three year old would tell you that!Some where some time the whole thing will just implode!
    • Jim C  •  Biddeford, United States  •  17 minutes ago
      Banks are the problem like polititians there not the solution sadly.
    • RP 32 minutes ago
      We don't need these vultures.
    • Wasup  •  Sacramento, United States  •  35 minutes ago
      "Of all the contrivances for cheating the laboring classes of
      mankind, none has been more effective than that which deludes
      them with paper money."
      -– Daniel Webster
    • ghost 16 minutes ago
      I need to move to Germany such a better government
    • MEL 18 minutes ago
      Frau Merkel says we will do everything to save the euro. This of course will result in penury for at least half a dozen countries. Incidentally the people in the European countries don't see any money, maybe you didn't know that. And it wasn't the people who spent the money, it never is, its politicians, so the message can impact on the brain, POLITICIANS. They're the ones who cause everybody misery. Like the US has now surrounded Russia with missiles, keep this up Obama and YOU are going to be in big trouble. We don't like it, if you want war, do it in America, on American soil
    • Linkshänder  •  San Francisco, United States  •  47 minutes ago
      The EU is on its way to oblivion. There are no solutions that will not punish the less profligate. And any solutions will eventually draw so much ire from the punished that they cannot proceed.
    • Steven 35 minutes ago
      "Potentially, the ECB has unlimited financial firepower through its ability to print money. However, Germany finds the idea of monetizing debts unappealing, warning that it lets the more profligate countries off the hook for their bad practices. In addition, it conjures up bad memories of hyperinflation in Germany in the 1920s."

      At least Germany has learned from its mistake that led to Hitler, They are following Ron Paul's monetary advice and shying away from "Fiat Money" that the Banksters are trying to push onto the "Socialist Spending Addicts".

      Now if only the United States can do the Same with regard to our FED, and elect Ron Paul along with a whole bunch of new "UNCORRUPTED" Members of Congress. If we do, we can beat our own debt crisis. If we fail to do that, the monetary crisis will be solved in another way; BY THE COLLAPSE OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC OF THE UNITED STATES.

      What our Constitution will be replaced by is anyone's guess, but suffice to say, unless people wake up and prevent it, it most likely will be some form of Communist or Facist Socialism where the Banksters pull the strings of the Puppets in Charge.

      Elect Ron Paul 2012 and lets skip the chaos and hardship that a collapse will cause.
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