It's interesting that this article contains not a single argument about why "Obamacare" should be nullified, and instead merely contains arguments about which form of nullification is easiest/best/etc.

By the way, the Defense Dept budget and organizational system is far more complicated and intricate than that Obamacare diagram of yours.

Donald D: Perhaps most of us regular readers already have formed our opinion of the legislation based on our entire experience of reading and learning. So the question for most of us is not "why", but merely "how" best to accomplish the task.
Since you seem to not know "why", here are a few reasons to start with:
1. The very idea of this kind of legislation is unconstitutional at its core.
2. The principal aim of the legislation is not about "health care" as we know it, but rather a way to bring about total control over our lives.
3. The cost would be astronomical despite the obvious lie when it was said to "save money". The projected cost would bankrupt the country if something else doesn't do it first.
4. Besides the obvious misstatements, lies, understatements, half-truths, and backroom deals that precluded its passage, the very way in which it was eventually passed is an outrage that needs to be properly addressed. Considering that Congress could be said to never have actually voted on the bill ought to make everyone in the country distrust Congress and work to recind the entire bill.
5. The harm that this would eventually do the country is far-reaching and might become irreversible over time. We would literaly need to start over.

You can take a few minutes to add more reasons as you think of them.

Thanks, Jim. You've defined the echo chamber phenomenon quite well in your first sentence or two.

Can you identify for me the provisions of the legislation that achieve each of those 5 things you fear? Just one or two § section numbers for each will be fine.

Why waste your time with this DonaldD/TimothyT creep? He is obviously a deliberate enemy, a liar and troublemaker. If he's studying law at Oxford I'm sure he'll turn out a shining example of their brainwashing, just like that pig Bill Clinton and so many others of that ilk. He'll go far in that foul swamp known as Washington D.C.

By the way, my name is Dan Whitehead, I live in Irving, Texas and I have nothing but utter contempt for DonaldD/TimothyT and all "liberal" trash.

Donald duck can you explain the IRS code book for us? Please "identify...the provisions of the legislation ...one or two § section numbers for each will be fine."

The IRS code book will be a snap to figure out compared to the labyrinth called Obamacare. The Income Tax was created by an amendment to the constitution; congress created the enforcement agency called the IRS and the IRS bureaucrats complicated the tax laws so that no one would be able to understand them. The tax code is impossible to obey.The IRS has goons who kick down doors and haul citizens off to jail who mistakenly believe that the business they've built up over the years and the money they've earned belongs to them. You probably agree with the goons who run the IRS but I bet they were so happy that Obamacare will add 10,000 more IRS agents.

Obama-nation-care. The law was passed by congress. The enforcement agencies are being hammered together and the chart above does not begin to provide a complete picute of the 150 fed departments, agencies and bureaus that will enforce Obam - a- nation care on the public.

DonaldD/TimothyT is "liberal" trash. The only way to silence that kind is by force. That is all that kind understands. It's coming, it's coming.

Use your down arrow, DW

To Dan W: Thanks for the heads up, but I had already picked up on that.
To Donald D: You have chosen the wrong forum if your intent is to confound us.

a violent overthrow and the silencing of all "liberal" trash.

Silencing people that disagree with you. Is that what the Founding Fathers fought for? Or is it, maybe, just what the JBS fights for?

My personal opinions are my own and have nothing to do with the John Birch Society.

The John Birchers are polite, patient people. I am neither.

To Donald D:
National defense is a constitutional power granted to the federal govt. Controlling people by federal intervention into the healthcare industry (and finance, and energy and education, and etc...) are NOT.
Sep 18 is "We Read the Constitution" day (see www.wereadtheconstitution.com). I highly recommend you join many Americans, including myself, in doing so.

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This Donald D runs under a few alias and is the same person. We now this via IP...all he does is post nonsense from a left vs right dichotomy instead of reading a book he tries to draw you into a cable news like drive by debate and when you don't bite claims to uphold so and so values in a self righteous tone. It truly must be a banal existence to have to act as a political hack to cause discord and promote a globalist agenda. He trolls this website and has even tried to pretend to attack us from the "right" by saying we are socialist and then under the same ip attacked from the "left."

My name is Bob Thompson. I am a U.S. Army veteran of the Iraq War, now in the reserves, and currently working in law enforcement. I have voted Republican 3 of my last 4 times in the voting booth. I am not a liberal.
I am appalled at the comments above. Mr Donald D is a man who I likely disagree with politically. However, he asked some simple, intelligent questions that should not be considered "confounding" by any intelligent person. In response was a call for the violent overthrow of the freely elected government of the United States of America and the forcible silencing of those who disagree (including, apparently, those who ask simple questions which some may find objectionable.)
I risked my life to defend that government and all its people. I've witnessed close buddies of mine die so that people like Mr Donald D, and one day millions of Iraqi citizens, would have the right to speak, believe, and ask questions freely.
The other commenters are quick to denounce and ridicule a man with whom they disagree when he asks a question. A commenter suggests he needs to read the Constitution. Not a single word however, from anyone on this forum, in repudiation of the call to violently overthrow that very same Constitution and eliminate the freedom of speech which Mr Donald D was exercising.
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I disagree with Mr Donald D's politics but I find your responses to him ignorant. I find your choosing to let a call for the violent overthrow of my country go unchallenged both cowardly and offensive. Without hesitation, I would risk my life again to preserve your right to make these offensive choices, but I ask you all, with the utmost urgency and sincerity, to please reconsider.
The differences between us, left and right, poor and rich, east coast, west coast, and in between, may appear vast and unbridgeable. You may not believe me, but I know that deep down in the souls of all of us, Mr Donald D, Mr Whitehead, Mr Surber, Mr Gonzales, Mr Sandman, Mr PoetsPain, and 300 million other Americans, are shared values and beliefs common to every citizen of this great nation. That's the part of us that has always gotten us through our most difficult challenges and our most heated disagreements. That's the part of us for which many of us have, and many of us will continue to sacrifice our lives.

Bob T...first off thank you for your service and I agree DDW's comments are abysmal and no way reflect anything even remotely close to the John Birch society as you already know. I condemn them and find it disturbing and disgusting that he would want a violent overthrow of this government. That helps nothing and saying something so sophomoric only strengthens the globalists.
This Donald person has been posting under several alias for months pretending to be several people with different views. His main operative is to confuse and sew discord on the boards. I have personally given him links to hundred of articles only to get responses meant to pull people into a cable news style drive by debate. This is what Donald or whatever name he goes by that week does here at the JBS site. Maybe he will be a tea party person..maybe he will be an Obama supporter..who knows. But what I do know is he is succeeding and that is evident by the response given by DDW.

Again Bob God Bless you...I hope you do not mind if I say a prayer for you and your family. As a fellow countryman who has personally lost loved ones in war I cannot express my deepest thanks for what you did.

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Good read on the constitution and Obamacare

To Bob T: Thank you for your service, and your comments here.
I, too, was very disconcerted when I read DW's note advocating the violent overthrow of our government. Not only was I surprised to see such a comment on a JBS forum, but I also no longer wanted to participate. I am now to address your response.
Knowing from experience that there will be detractors on nearly every internet forum, and also that there is no way to know for sure who the other person is or what he believes, I have come to realize there is no point whatsoever in trying to argue a point of contention with someone who is so far gone that there is no hope of converting him to conservatism, so any effort toward that goal is a complete waste of time.

To Bob T continued:
The first point, therefore, is that there are people posting here who no longer warrant my attention.
The second point I would like to make regarding your post is that I firmly disagree with your assertion that there are deep-seated "..shared values and beliefs common to every citizen..". Not only is this idea wrong, but it is dangerously wrong. That kind of attitude will get you killed in some arenas.
Our enemies are not our friends who just happen to comb their hair differently. Our enemies do not offer quarter at any time, nor will they ever back down from the fight, so we should not either.

Bob T, thank you for your service.

Far more eloquently than I ever could, you have called for people to engage in civil debate - but also to engage in meaningful debate rather than dismissing reasonable questions out of hand.

We may disagree politically, as you say, but at least we can hope to engage in meaningful debate about facts and policies, and arguments grounded in reality, without being threatened by violence or extraconstitutional action.

Someone who agrees with Obama is as loyal and as worthy of being engaged in political debate as someone who agrees with the Tea Party, or someone who agrees with no major political force at all.

Thank you again.

To Bob T again:
You would not have known that before I answered Donald D's first note, that I already realized he is a troll, and his question was intentionally provocative, but I gave him a straight answer anyway.
Beyond that, there is no point in discussing this with him.
Donald D's return shows his intent is to merely take up our time trying to dig out the minutiae of the Obamacare legislation, rather than discussing more important aspects of the article. Some trolls are just that, and their comments deserve nothing more.

I do not want a violent overthrow of the fedgov not the silencing of those with whom I do not agree. The above egregious comments were made in anger and prove that it is I who am the fool. I have sent an email to the John Birch Society pointing out what I posted, here and at another piece, and I hope they remove the offensive posts. They should also block my Ip address as I'm too childish and too much of a fool to control my temper. I sincerely apologize to everyone, I have no excuse to offer. What I posted was wrong, bad, ugly. I repeat, I do not believe that the fedgov should be violently overthrown nor do I believe in the silencing of those with whom I disagree. With all its problems, this is still the very best system in the world. Everyone must know that these horrible things I posted are in no way the stance of the John Birch Society. I do sincerely apologize.

Dan Whitehead
Irving, Texas

I will not post anything here at the John Birch website again. I'm obviously not man enough, adult enough, or wise enough control my temper and debate in a civilized manner. I've called other people here fools when it's me who is the real fool. I apologize in particular to the soldier who was offended, to DonalD (or whoever you are) and to all others I offended. I also apologize to the staff of the John Birch Society for any embarassment I have caused. I do not want the federal government overthrown, I do not want those I disagree with silenced. I was wrong and I sincerely apologize.

To DW: You don't need to take it so hard. We all have those rough days, and I think you should put it behind yourself and just get on with the it.

Dear Bob T.,
Could you please show me where in the Constitution of which you swear an oath to "defend..." FIRST, and obey "the officers appointed over me" SECOND, it allows for the invasion of a foreign country who never attacked us without a Congressional Declaration of War?

Sir, while I respect the bravery of yourself and the rest of our soldiers, I am appalled at their flagrant violation of their oaths. In my opinion, the soldiers violating their oaths are no different than the Congressmen and Senators and Presidents who violate their oaths by sending our brave soldiers into harms way in UNCONSTITUTIONAL, UNDECLARED WARS under the auspices of the United Nations.

Michael New and Terry Lakin are my military heroes for taking their oaths seriously.

Sometimes I wonder if our Soldiers and Federal office holders have ever even read the Constitution of which they are supposed to be supporting? I know for a fact that MOST of the American people have never read it! Hell, I was 27 years old when I first read the Constitution, no thanks to our Government school system.
I give 100% credit to the John Birch Society for bringing the importance of the Constitution to my attention. God Bless all of you.
JJ Suprise
Sandy, Utah

PS. The Iraqi people are NOT getting freedom from our invasion of their country. Remember, our Government put Sadaam Hussein in power to begin with and supplied him with the "weapons of mass destruction" that supplied the reason for our invasion. The Iraqi Constitution is a spitten image of the Soviet Constitution and ALL of our unconstitutional efforts there will only serve to enslave them and us.